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Sep 13, 2018 16:12:35   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
srt101fan wrote:
Not sure if I can express this question clearly enough to avoid off-the-rail and tangential responses, but here goes…

I’m trying to better understand and improve my reactions in response to shooting situations where things change (or could potentially change) rapidly - the subject moves, backgrounds or other visual elements change, lighting changes, etc. In those scenarios the photographer may have to make quick decisions - reposition himself, move the camera, change settings, etc. This need for quick mental assessments also applies to situations where the photographer is rushed to take a shot, as in a spontaneous event or fleeting moment (e.g., Eisenstaedt’s photo of the couple kissing in Times Square). In the Wikipedia article on Cartier-Bresson there is a reference to “…gut reactions to fleeting situations that he had happened upon.”

I’m not talking here about quickness in manipulating camera adjustments; that’s a matter of knowing your camera and practice. I’m talking about mental quickness in taking in a dynamic scene where the positions, qualities, relative strengths, etc, of its visual elements change.

So, the question is: Can quickness in photographically appraising a situation, and making the appropriate reaction decisions, be learned and improved? Or are some of us more “deliberate” thinkers, more suited for something like table-top photography, where we can play around with the lighting and position of the visual elements? Do some of us have innate physiological and/or psychological traits that are essentially fixed and limit our ability to engage in photography in dynamic scenarios such as photojournalism, sports and street?

Wise words of wisdom are always appreciated!
Not sure if I can express this question clearly en... (show quote)

Bottom line, keep working at it (perhaps deciding on some practical things you might do while shooting) until you reached a point, if ever, that you can see no improvement. Objectively and experientially (thousands of art and photo students of varying ages), you will be limited by your genes, which explains why there are extraordinary athletes, businessmen, and photographers. When you've reached that benchmark, there is little more to be done. My most practical suggestion: So what? Keep at it!

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Sep 13, 2018 16:17:30   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Now, now. Remain calm.

This could be worse than Canon vs. Nikon.


Did someone say Canon vs Nikon????? I’m READY!!!
SS

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Sep 13, 2018 16:18:17   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Did someone say Canon vs Nikon????? I’m READY!!!
SS


Simmer down, Old One! We're not there yet!

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Sep 13, 2018 16:21:25   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
I know I'm not as fast as I want to be but that I'm faster than I used to be, even at a more advanced age. I treat wildlife photography like the hunting trips I used to take. When I see motion, I lock on to that with my eyes and don't stray away from that until I have identified the subject. At the same time, I'm making a mental inventory of my camera settings and thinking about what changes I might have to make for the specific circumstances for this opportunity. I usually take a couple "make sure" photos when the subject shows, and then glance down quickly to make the already planned changes. I'm working on making the changes by feel while keeping my eyes on the subject. That's possible for the camera that I'm most familiar with (D200) but it's still a work in progress with the D7100.

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Sep 13, 2018 16:31:13   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
artBob wrote:
Bottom line, keep working at it (perhaps deciding on some practical things you might do while shooting) until you reached a point, if ever, that you can see no improvement. Objectively and experientially (thousands of art and photo students of varying ages), you will be limited by your genes, which explains why there are extraordinary athletes, businessmen, and photographers. When you've reached that benchmark, there is little more to be done. My most practical suggestion: So what? Keep at it!


Yes of course, we all learn from experience.
I learned long ago, I approach my goal with the lens cap off and camera set to the most likely scenario I might encounter, in case I encounter it sooner than expected.
2 instances come to mind.
40 years ago I was driving down the Mexican coast when the most beautiful sunset I’d ever seen started to happen. In about 2 minutes I found a good place to pull over. THE FIRE WAS GONE!!!
I was shooting a bicycle race for a magazine when behind me I heard a lot of commotion. I finished shooting the riders as they came by and looked back. There was a guy with his pants at his knees bent over mooning the riders as the went by! I swung around and fired a few shots. He had his pants 1/2 way up. 5 seconds earlier I would have gotten a COVER SHOT!!!
Live and learn!!! LoL
SS

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Sep 13, 2018 16:55:23   #
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Learn to observe and compose without
the camera. See your intended image
before you even touch the camera.

Also, shoot first and ask questions later.

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Sep 13, 2018 16:58:45   #
srt101fan
 
Interesting comments from you all; much appreciated.

I want to emphasize again that, as important as it is to learn and practice getting what you want out of the camera, in this topic I'm trying to concentrate more on the front end, the way we mentally process changing visual information and then make the decisions BEFORE we do anything with the camera.

I am not very good at quickly analyzing and processing visual data when faced with a dynamic scenario. One example would be watching a soccer match. I have trouble reconstructing the plays leading to a goal if the action was very fast (much easier with slow-mo replays!) So, when photographing in such a scenario, even with proper camera settings, I'm likely to come up with just a bunch of "delete" pictures.

But this is just one example of reading, or not being able to read, the big picture when the visual components of that picture are jumping around. As I mentioned in my original post, a similar situation occurs with fleeting events. Not that I aspire to the quickness of visual information processing of an Eisenstaedt or Cartier-Bresson, but can I at least improve a little?

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Sep 13, 2018 17:10:04   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
srt101fan wrote:
Interesting comments from you all; much appreciated.

I want to emphasize again that, as important as it is to learn and practice getting what you want out of the camera, in this topic I'm trying to concentrate more on the front end, the way we mentally process changing visual information and then make the decisions BEFORE we do anything with the camera.

I am not very good at quickly analyzing and processing visual data when faced with a dynamic scenario. One example would be watching a soccer match. I have trouble reconstructing the plays leading to a goal if the action was very fast (much easier with slow-mo replays!) So, when photographing in such a scenario, even with proper camera settings, I'm likely to come up with just a bunch of "delete" pictures.

But this is just one example of reading, or not being able to read, the big picture when the visual components of that picture are jumping around. As I mentioned in my original post, a similar situation occurs with fleeting events. Not that I aspire to the quickness of visual information processing of an Eisenstaedt or Cartier-Bresson, but can I at least improve a little?
Interesting comments from you all; much appreciate... (show quote)

It helps if you know the sport and the team / players. Soccer is a "long" game with few substitutions. Even with two teams you've never covered, you should begin to see the ball fed to particular players more often than others as well as the style of ballhandling by each player. Use that knowledge to anticipate their positions and movement and prepare your camera (zoom, focus point, shutterspeed, etc) in anticipation. 1 keeper is all you need from a sequence so don't be disappointed by the deleted images needed to achieve that one keeper.

Know too your depth of field. If in daylight, leverage a smaller aperture and set your focus points on the player's upper chest that is easier to follow than their head / eyes. At f/5 or smaller, depending in distance, you should have a great focus on the player's face even if your focus was on their chest.

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Sep 13, 2018 17:17:35   #
srt101fan
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
As I was pondering the aspect of "deliberate thinkers," Gene confirmed they exist One person on UHH comes to mind as being the total opposite of me regarding technique (including very careful exposure) and preparation: rmalarz. I have come to love not knowing what's around the next corner, reacting spontaneously.

So if you find that not having the time to carefully compose and think is more stressful than pleasurable, maybe that is indeed just who you are.

But I want to mention again the importance of observation (at all times, not just on photo outings), and also of thinking less literally. Consider not only the light and shadows, but shapes, textures and out-of-ordinary: things that wouldn't normally go together and contrasts: of color, certainly, but also concepts like old/new.

These ideas may not sound relevant to "reacting quickly" but I think they are all part of the package, a way to get out of the analytical left brain and more into the creative right brain.

This is going to be a boring pic for most viewers, but it represents what I mean about being observant to "different." I actually turned the car around and went back for this shot

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As I was pondering the aspect of "deliberate ... (show quote)


Linda, thank you for your comments and images - I particularly like the last one, great shot!

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Sep 13, 2018 17:29:53   #
srt101fan
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
It helps if you know the sport and the team / players. Soccer is a "long" game with few substitutions. Even with two teams you've never covered, you should begin to see the ball fed to particular players more often than others as well as the style of ballhandling by each player. Use that knowledge to anticipate their positions and movement and prepare your camera (zoom, focus point, shutterspeed, etc) in anticipation. 1 keeper is all you need from a sequence so don't be disappointed by the deleted images needed to achieve that one keeper.

Know too your depth of field. If in daylight, leverage a smaller aperture and set your focus points on the player's upper chest that is easier to follow than their head / eyes. At f/5 or smaller, depending in distance, you should have a great focus on the player's face even if your focus was on their chest.
It helps if you know the sport and the team / play... (show quote)


Thanks Paul; good tips that I will keep in mind. In your first post you mentioned practicing panning. That's another example of a scenario where I'd have trouble mentally assessing the big picture. While concentrating on the main subject I'm likely to miss unwanted background changes....

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Sep 13, 2018 17:32:03   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
srt101fan wrote:
Interesting comments from you all; much appreciated.

I want to emphasize again that, as important as it is to learn and practice getting what you want out of the camera, in this topic I'm trying to concentrate more on the front end, the way we mentally process changing visual information and then make the decisions BEFORE we do anything with the camera.

I am not very good at quickly analyzing and processing visual data when faced with a dynamic scenario. One example would be watching a soccer match. I have trouble reconstructing the plays leading to a goal if the action was very fast (much easier with slow-mo replays!) So, when photographing in such a scenario, even with proper camera settings, I'm likely to come up with just a bunch of "delete" pictures.

But this is just one example of reading, or not being able to read, the big picture when the visual components of that picture are jumping around. As I mentioned in my original post, a similar situation occurs with fleeting events. Not that I aspire to the quickness of visual information processing of an Eisenstaedt or Cartier-Bresson, but can I at least improve a little?
Interesting comments from you all; much appreciate... (show quote)


To all of this, that ugly component always has to raise its ugly head...., TALENT!
Just like some can always hit the basket or hit the ball, some will always have more ability to produce that shot. Just like sports, we need to train to stay crisp but the Talent component is what produces those OUTSTANDING shots, shot after shot.
We can’t train talent in but we can maximize the talent we do have.
Now to do it in a heartbeat as the scene presents itself is again to have developed that instant response to shoot the scene that our talent can spot that others may miss or never even see!
And the traning to position ourselves where those situations will be more likely to present themselves that give us the opportunity to even capture the scene.
SS

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Sep 13, 2018 17:39:06   #
srt101fan
 
SharpShooter wrote:
To all of this, that ugly component always has to raise its ugly head...., TALENT!
Just like some can always hit the basket or hit the ball, some will always have more ability to produce that shot. Just like sports, we need to train to stay crisp but the Talent component is what produces those OUTSTANDING shots, shot after shot.
We can’t train talent in but we can maximize the talent we do have.
Now to do it in a heartbeat as the scene presents itself is again to have developed that instant response to shoot the scene that our talent can spot that others may miss or never even see!
And the traning to position ourselves where those situations will be more likely to present themselves that give us the opportunity to even capture the scene.
SS
To all of this, that ugly component always has to ... (show quote)


Good point SS.

Now, wrt the guy mooning you mentioned earlier, you think Eisenstaedt or Cartier-Bresson would have gotten that shot? 😕

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Sep 13, 2018 17:39:26   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
srt101fan wrote:
Thanks Paul; good tips that I will keep in mind. In your first post you mentioned practicing panning. That's another example of a scenario where I'd have trouble mentally assessing the big picture. While concentrating on the main subject I'm likely to miss unwanted background changes....

Practice and experience and critical study of your images, both onsite and afterward. I was at an airshow last weekend. Very close to the runway for planes taking off and landing. But, directly across from my position was a messy background. I made a decision after about 20-minutes to limit the position of the planes where I'd shoot. I could tell from the back of the camera the images I'd end of deleting due to the background so I stopped capturing them at those points on the runway. It comes from experience. And experience comes from practice, study, practice, study and so on and so on. Those with god-given talent many times practice the most. We the public only see their success, not the hours (typically lifetime) of practice they've spend to be in the position to achieve their moment of glory (regardless of sport or any form of skill).

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Sep 13, 2018 17:50:59   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
srt101fan wrote:
Linda, thank you for your comments and images - I particularly like the last one, great shot!

Thanks very much! Thoughts about two of your newest comments:

Re panning, While concentrating on the main subject I'm likely to miss unwanted background changes....So what? Don't worry about potential failures or dwell on past failures. Ch_Canon said it simply: practice panning.

not being able to read the big picture when the visual components are jumping around ...I think you are worrying about missing the best action shot before you have enough practice with action in general. Are there youth soccer games in your area - I'm thinking smaller field, slower players. Or high school football? Maybe practice the snap to the quarterback or his throw/hand-off rather than attempting to follow the ball.

I'm reminded of the frustrations of trying to photograph eagles in flight with a slow-focusing bridge camera that uses a lever to zoom far out and far in - I was always losing the bird in my frame because I zoomed too close (it didn't file a flight path with me!), or it was too far away. Once I decided to just keep my attention on the nest for incoming meal delivery, all worked out!

Paul mentioned re-positioning himself at the runway. Here's someone else who assessed the situation and moved to get the best viewpoint...of camel racing! https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-551868-1.html

One last note: have you visited the sports photography forum on UHH? Maybe some tips to pick up there too.

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Sep 13, 2018 21:00:08   #
srt101fan
 
Gene51 wrote:
Yes!
Yes!
And Yes!

To your three questions.


OK Gene, so you say I MAY be able to improve my mental quickness in grasping a changing photographic environment, but I may also be held back by innate factors. I'll toss in Sharpshooter's comment re "talent". I think you guys have nailed it .....I guess the percent of improvability (is that a word?) is up for grabs?

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