What colors do you see and why?
Sep 9, 2018 12:41:57 #
Sep 9, 2018 13:31:10 #
bpulv
Loc: Buena Park, CA
Bill_de wrote:
Monitor calibration???
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Always calibrate your monitor, but the picture in the first post and the problem posed has little to do with monitor calibration.
Sep 9, 2018 13:48:25 #
bpulv wrote:
Always calibrate your monitor, but the picture in the first post and the problem posed has little to do with monitor calibration.
I agree! Because with the first image to look teal and gray the monitor has be be way out of calibration and even uncalibrated monitors aren't that much off. The image simply has wrong WB.
Sep 9, 2018 17:56:17 #
Good example of how we don't see reality. In THIS PIC, the colors really are grey and teal. Put it in your post processing program and click in each area to determine the color. The MINDS of some "correct" it, i.e., see what they want to see.
On this site there have been discussions about a blue color cast on objects in a shadowed area, due to the light from the sky, but not direct sunlight. Fierce discussion.
Theories about "clickbait" and color filters and whatever are mostly irrelevant. Does it affect our editing. Yes. In what ways? Usually not noticeable consciously, but in hundreds of ways that a very good photographer or artist uses to more clearly express an emotion or concept.
On this site there have been discussions about a blue color cast on objects in a shadowed area, due to the light from the sky, but not direct sunlight. Fierce discussion.
Theories about "clickbait" and color filters and whatever are mostly irrelevant. Does it affect our editing. Yes. In what ways? Usually not noticeable consciously, but in hundreds of ways that a very good photographer or artist uses to more clearly express an emotion or concept.
Sep 9, 2018 17:59:05 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
selmslie wrote:
As rcarol demonstrated, the original Facebook post was fraudulent click-bait.
The original poster simply used the pink canvass of the shoe as the neutral gray which made the laces and trim and laces go green. When rcarol used the trim (or laces) for the white balance the pink canvass was restored.
The original poster simply used the pink canvass of the shoe as the neutral gray which made the laces and trim and laces go green. When rcarol used the trim (or laces) for the white balance the pink canvass was restored.
Not sure your explanation helps anyone to understand why different people see two different sets of color combinations of the same photo we are all observing.
Sep 9, 2018 18:27:56 #
Racmanaz wrote:
In the link I provided in my second entry to your topic (on page 1), the reasons are explained. It's an interesting article with links to further studies. But the Reader's Digest version is:...why different people see two different sets of color combinations of the same photo we are all observing.
“It seems as if some people are ‘big picture’ people, who evaluate the color of the light by looking across the whole scene, and other people are ‘small picture’ people, who have some fairly strong internal set point about what the color of light is,” “The big picture people see the turquoise cast across the whole scene and discount it [in part because we believe shoe laces are always white]; the small picture people see the turquoise as part of the surface.”
Sep 9, 2018 19:03:49 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Linda From Maine wrote:
In the link I provided in my second entry to your ... (show quote)
Thanks Linda, I took artBob's theory and imported this photo into Affinity Photo which I then checked each color differences with the color picker. Affinity indicated that the shoe lace is of a teal color tone and the shoe itself is gray toned, I should have thought about doing this before I created this post.
Your links explanation makes sense though.Sep 9, 2018 19:24:10 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
In the link I provided in my second entry to your topic (on page 1), the reasons are explained. It's an interesting article with links to further studies. ...
The link you provided no longer works. But if you click on this link you will see lots of discussion of this topic.
The bottom line is that the post is a hoax - a fraud. Anyone who has ever used the eyedropper in PSE to select a neutral color should have recognized that the original post was neutralized by clicking on the pink canvass of the shoe to screw up the white balance.
rcarol already pointed this out in this post by setting the white balance based on what is clearly supposed to be the white portion of the scene. That should have ended the discussion!
Sep 9, 2018 19:28:37 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
selmslie wrote:
The link you provided no longer works. But if you... (show quote)
Again, what does my post and post questions have to do with any hoax? I think you and another member on here have totally missed the point, I am simply inquiring about how and why people can view the same photo and see different color combinations?
Sep 9, 2018 19:32:12 #
selmslie wrote:
The link you provided no longer works. But if you... (show quote)
Please. Let it end from you, who has discombobulated it down a dark deflected alleyway.
[For all: excuse my attempt to cut off deflection. Linda has posted some good sources.]
The only remaining question is, I think, can our perception of true color (as in the photo here) be trained, and how about other visual weaknesses that we as photographers should overcome? Or, is there a genetic limit, as with musicians, mathematicians, etc.?
Sep 9, 2018 19:35:29 #
selmslie wrote:
Sorry to hear you are having problems. Both links work just fine. A snip from the first link I provided also offers interesting observations about the phenomenon:The link you provided no longer works.
"People who see a pink shoe see a blue light in the background. People who see a gray shoe are being told by their brains that the light is white. In the case of this image, our brain is also taking cues from the color of the hand holding the shoe. And some people may have subconsciously factored in that shoelaces are typically white..."
To the OP - I'm glad you posted the topic. It was fun to read the science behind our varying perceptions, and much easier to understand than the thread on how a lens aperture affects dof
Sep 9, 2018 19:42:44 #
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Sep 9, 2018 22:31:16 #
Racmanaz wrote:
Again, what does my post and post questions have to do with any hoax? I think you and another member on here have totally missed the point, I am simply inquiring about how and why people can view the same photo and see different color combinations?
I am not accusing you of perpetrating a hoax. It is simply that you and several other posters fell for it. I have no basis for commenting on your personal level of knowledge or experience with color balance or post processing.
A couple of others who would like to have us believe that they know something about color and post processing also fell for it.
All you need to prove it to yourself is to download the image and use PS Elements or any other color processor (just like rcarol aid I did) and balance the color by pointing to the trim or the laces:
you will see that this is a trivial puzzle.
Sep 9, 2018 22:46:59 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
selmslie wrote:
I am not accusing i you /i of perpetrating a hoa... (show quote)
I guess you just don't get or understand the point of my post, I nor anyone else fell for anything you are implying. This was a simple inquiry as to why and how different people can view the same image yet see different color combinations, that's it. There is no falling for anything as you seem to be implying, maybe you should take a deep breath and remove your thoughts from conspiracy theories and your high horse while you are at it. Sorry, but I have run out of patience with your petty nonsense, have a good night.
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