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Sep 8, 2018 12:52:29   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
dsmeltz wrote:
I agree "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." However, I find it much quicker to reformat the card than to erase the images.


Indeed, I agree. But with regard to brand card purity, I have Sony and Panasonic and Canon cameras and remove the cards to read... ooops put Sony in Canon Camera etc and the cameras shrug their shoulders and record as they should, nary a skipped beat ... but simply have an appropriately labeled folder. Like many things, there is a universality of format... like using USB in a Dell, HP and a home assembled... works in all.

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Sep 8, 2018 12:57:58   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Deleting individual images from the card will, over time, fragment the card and make it less efficient, since the card directory will need to find the empty slot to store future images. If the empty slot is smaller than the image the directory is trying to install, that image will be stored in two empty slots, but not necessarily adjacent slots. Over time, this has the potential to corrupt the card as the directory may get confused. Here is a good explanation of all this and how a memory card works:
http://blog.jeffcable.com/2016/12/why-you-should-not-delete-images-on.html

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Sep 8, 2018 13:31:17   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
CamB wrote:
Reformatting is quicker and cleaner than deleting. Unless you have some reason for not reformatting that you aren't telling us, I don't know why you wouldn't do that.
...Cam


What is the reason for reformatting? Just curious...

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Sep 8, 2018 13:34:34   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
rlv567 wrote:
What am I doing wrong???

Over the years, I’ve owned and used a number of digital cameras from at least five major manufacturers, up to my current Canon G16 and Canon70D. I have used memory cards – from reputable brands – in all of them. I download my picture files directly from the camera to my computer and then erase them from the card (while in the camera). I never have formatted any memory card – in or out of the camera. I never have had a problem of any kind with this routine!

What am I doing wrong?

Loren – previously Palm Springs and Phoenix; now Baguio City
What am I doing wrong??? br br Over the years, I’... (show quote)


You've been fortunate to not have any problems. I'm glad it's worked out good for you, though it's "risky".

I choose to use a number of smaller memory cards (mostly 16GB now), which means having to change them during events I shoot. I get around 500 images per card and do this so that I don't have "all my eggs in one basket", in case a card fails or is lost, my whole day's work isn't lost with it. Sometimes I'll fill 4 or 8 or 12 or more cards in a day.

And I use my memory cards in five different cameras, so I always format every card immediately when I install it, to be absolutely certain there won't be any issues due to differences in the cameras.

And I use a card reader to download my cards, because doing so from the camera via the USB cable would take a long time, requiring the camera to be powered up the entire time and risking low battery shut down that can cause corrupted image files. Plus, since I'm using multiple memory cards, it would mean swapping cards back in and out of the camera during the download.... additional wear and tear on it that's unnecessary. But there's also some risk of wearing out or damaging the USB port of the camera, with frequent use of it for downloading. Most cameras' USB ports are part of the main board and, should it ever be damaged or worn out, would mean replacement of the entire board.... a rather expensive part plus more labor to remove since it requires near complete teardown of the camera to replace. The memory card socket, on the other hand, is a sub-assembly in most cameras that would be a lot less expensive to replace and is much more easily accessed, if ever needed.

Card reader makes more sense for me, too, having to download a number of cards. I don't erase them (or format them) with the computer, either. As a safety precaution, I only "copy" images off my memory cards, leaving the originals in place on the card until I'm sure that everything has been successfully saved to my computer and backup. (In fact, the originals remain on the card until the next time I use it, when I install it in the camera and format it).

That's what's worked well for me, shooting around 50,000 images a year and digital almost exclusively for fifteen years (and less frequently alongside film for another 5 or 6 years before that). In that time I've never damaged a camera, knock on wood, and out of around 100 misc. memory cards over the years, only had two card failures (once SD card wasn't usable right out of the package... the other a Compact Flash card thatworked once, then failed after images were downloaded). I've only used high quality, top brand cards (mostly Sandisk and Lexar). And I've only twice had a problem with corrupted image files. Once was my own fault, due to removing a card from a camera too quickly, while images were still being written to it (newer cameras are so fast, this is unlikely). Another time, also my fault, was corruption due to adding a USB hub to the path to the computer being used by the card reader... and easily solved simply by reconnecting the reader directly to the computer. (For some years now I've used built-in card readers, faster than the older USB 2.0 readers... though newer USB 3.0 is prob. faster.)

But, hey, if some other procedure is working for you... That's great! To each his own!

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Sep 8, 2018 13:53:52   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
edrobinsonjr wrote:
What is the reason for reformatting? Just curious...


Follow the link in the response directly above yours. Jeff Cable explains it well.

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Sep 8, 2018 14:29:48   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
edrobinsonjr wrote:
What is the reason for reformatting? Just curious...


Read my previous reply to the op.

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Sep 8, 2018 14:33:19   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Follow the link in the response directly above yours. Jeff Cable explains it well.





I didn't go that deep in my response. Great article.

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Sep 8, 2018 14:43:22   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I don't pretend to be a technical whiz kid, but I trust the advice of people who actually are. You may find the answer to your question here: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-429518-1.html

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Sep 8, 2018 14:51:42   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Close enough.
Tomfl101 wrote:
I'm not a computer expert so I could be wrong but my understanding is that when you simply delete a file on any drive you are not actually removing the file. You are telling the drive that this space is available for overwriting. This may lead to errors? Formatting (especially deep formatting on SD cards) does a clean erase so no overwriting is needed.

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Sep 8, 2018 14:56:59   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Don't mess with success!

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Sep 8, 2018 15:01:41   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Follow the link in the response directly above yours. Jeff Cable explains it well.


Interesting. Thanks for your reply.

I have a Nikon "coolpix 3000" that I no longer use. I has a whopping 256MB - yes megabyte - Sandisk in it that has not been formatted since I first installed it.
Still, the blog entry was very interesting.

I have not formatted the card in my P900 since installing it and have not experienced a single problem.

Knock on wood or something.

I long for the film days - my F2 is gathering dust in a file cabinet...
Ed

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Sep 8, 2018 15:11:49   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
BigGWells wrote:
If you read some of the bigger manufactures instructions, they say for one, never delete a file from a card. They say you should always reformat a card. Now these are instructions, not a must do. My routine is, I download all photos with a card placed in a reader. Once they are all downloaded, they are placed in a card holder. When ready to shoot, a card is placed in the camera, and formatted. A card should never be formatted on a computer.

Am I right, nope, just my way of doing it. Are you wrong, nope, just your way of doing it.
If you read some of the bigger manufactures instru... (show quote)


I have seen on at least one card mfr's web site that erasing all of the files on a card and reformatting the card accomplish the exact same thing and have done so since the mid 1990s.

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Sep 8, 2018 15:24:54   #
Daryl New Loc: Wellington,New Zealand
 
Waschill has it in a nutshell,if it's not broken,why fix it....

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Sep 8, 2018 15:41:36   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
rlv567 wrote:
What am I doing wrong???

Over the years, I’ve owned and used a number of digital cameras from at least five major manufacturers, up to my current Canon G16 and Canon70D. I have used memory cards – from reputable brands – in all of them. I download my picture files directly from the camera to my computer and then erase them from the card (while in the camera). I never have formatted any memory card – in or out of the camera. I never have had a problem of any kind with this routine!

What am I doing wrong?

Loren – previously Palm Springs and Phoenix; now Baguio City
What am I doing wrong??? br br Over the years, I’... (show quote)


Nothing

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Sep 8, 2018 17:17:57   #
wings42 Loc: San Diego, CA
 
I'm retired and a birder. Weather permitting (the usual here in San Diego), I take about 800+ shots a week and have for years. I do the exact same thing as Waschill and have never had a problem. I've stuck with two SanDisk Extreme Pro memory cards since starting DSLR photography about 20 years ago. They are very fast and so far seem to last forever.

Waschill wrote:
Loren,
I don't see any problem, necessarily, with your routine. You didn't mention that you were experiencing any either. So my suggestion is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Personally, I take my cards out and transfer my files from them in the computer then put them back into my cameras to format, and I do it quite frequently. I have also never had any problems.

That being said, there are schools of thought that formatting is extra abuse that could cause the card to fail. But after 30 years in the computer world, I have very seldom ever experienced a problem with any of the media due to proper use, of which, formatting is one.

My point is just this. What works for you is good for you so continue to do the same old thing.

One final note...The one thing that you get from never removing you card from your cameras is that you are less likely to lose them like my friend did on a $20,000 wedding shoot.

Hope that helps a little.
Loren, br I don't see any problem, necessarily, wi... (show quote)

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