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Aug 19, 2018 16:48:25   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
CO wrote:
Yeh, It's not WYSIWYG for mirrorless or DSLR. I got my Sekonic L-478DR re-calibrated not long ago and it got a firmware update. It seems to be very accurate. I use that to get readings from the strobes, usually holding the meter under the model's chin.


I use an old Gossen Luna Pro SBC with flash attachment the same way. I don't use an external meter that often, and this old meter gets the job done.

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Aug 19, 2018 17:00:20   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
I have one camera with an EVF and I love it. It's fast, really shows what you are getting, even with filters, and best of all, you can see highlight warnings, histogram and true depth of field. I only wish there was a way to add this to a DSLR. It wasn't always like this, of course. But the OVF adherents haven't experienced the current state of the art.
Which one camera do you have with an EVF?

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Aug 19, 2018 17:09:12   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
warrior wrote:
With all the mirrorless cameras coming out are we going to see the end of DSLR?


I do think eventually, but not until mirrorless cameras can do just about anything a DSLR cameras do, which may be quite some years from now. My guess is that it will be a slow death, and has already begun. History shows that technological development has a strong tendency to replace moving mechanical parts (such as flipping mirrors) with electronics when possible.

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Aug 19, 2018 18:15:41   #
BebuLamar
 
bsprague wrote:
Which one camera do you have with an EVF?


Let me guess! It's a Sony with fixed lens.

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Aug 19, 2018 22:24:44   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
rook2c4 wrote:
I do think eventually, but not until mirrorless cameras can do just about anything a DSLR cameras do, which may be quite some years from now. My guess is that it will be a slow death, and has already begun. History shows that technological development has a strong tendency to replace moving mechanical parts (such as flipping mirrors) with electronics when possible.


What do DSLRs do that mirrorless can't right now? Put muscles on you?

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Aug 19, 2018 23:39:17   #
Bipod
 
rfmaude41 wrote:
How about Nikon CLS and its equivalents from all of the other camera makers, eh ?

I second that.

Please send me your obsolete, unwanted Hasselblad, Leica, Zeiss Contax, Nikon F3, Mamiya,
Graflex, Arca-Swiss, Deardorff, Sinar, etc. film cameras.

I am also accepting obsolete cars such as the Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, the Dusenberger Model X,
Porche Speedster, etc. For one in cherry condition, I will even trade you a brand new Chevy with
wifi and a talking GPS!!

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Aug 20, 2018 00:06:47   #
Bipod
 
repleo wrote:
What do DSLRs do that mirrorless can't right now? Put muscles on you?

Go "thunk". :-)
But seriously: I've peaked though a few of these things recently, and I would not apply the words
"sharp" or "natural looking". But the words "video game" come to mind.

1. The resolution of a good optical viewfinder is equal to that of your eye. Not so an LCD screen.
(Perhaps if it measured 6 inches by 6 inches.). It's not really good enough to tell if the subject is
in focus (without additional steps or aids). Higher res display technologies are big and expensive.

2. And EVF contrast (dynamic range) stinks: highlights are always "blown" and/or shadows are "burned out",
in the viewfinder even when they are not in the actual image.

3.OVFs have at most two modes: normal and DOF preview. (which is WYSIWYG). EVFs tend
to have more modes, so its hard to be sure that it's WYSIWYG. (Too many modes seems to be a
disease of everything digital, whereas there is a limit to mechanical complexity.)

4. EVFs still have noticable time lag in live mode Especially when shooting mutliple frames.
Big problem for action shots.

5. No two mirrorless cameras are the same. I can pick up most aDSLRs (and nearly *all* SLRs)
and just use it--not all the features, but enough to take a pictures. But there doesn't even seem
to be a standard for where you put the shutter button on mirrorless camera. Most DSLRs at least
try to emulate SLRs, where there was sort-of a standard.

I agree mirrorless cameras have gotten better. But EVFs can't get good unless the camera is even
bigger than a DSLR. It takes room for a high-res screen and good optics to view it. I wouldn't
mind, but the industry seems hell bent on miniaturization.

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Aug 20, 2018 02:10:30   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
CO wrote:
That's nitpicking. That's how it's been stated from the start of this thread.

No, not nitpicking, correcting...

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Aug 20, 2018 02:46:21   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't think they were around before DSLR as they were both introduced in the 90's. The early mirrorless of course has no interchangeable lens and the early DSLR may even have external hard drive to store the pictures.


Any camera without a mirror is a mirrorless camera. Mirrorless cameras existed long before the DSLR. Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Cameras or MILC'S were introduced in 2004 and the first modern mirrorless cameras were introduced in the early 1900's. Using the term mirrorless to describe only MILC'S because the M in MILC stands for Mirrorless dictates DSLR'S should be called Digitals because the D in DSLR stands for Digital. But we all know this is not the case. One of the problems is, MILC'S are digital.

It's all pretty much irrelevant, as is the constant barrage of articles about the demise of the DSLR. Cameras evolve with the available technology. It's a good thing. As long as my DSLR's continue to function, I will continue to use them.

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Aug 20, 2018 02:51:43   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
repleo wrote:
What do DSLRs do that mirrorless can't right now? Put muscles on you?


For one, they make much better weapons.

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Aug 20, 2018 05:16:58   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
CO wrote:
A lot of photographers, amateur and pro, like optical viewfinders. I think DSLR's will stay. I hope so. I've never liked electronic viewfinders. I can check the LCD screen if I need to see how the photos are turning out.

I've seen people who have mirrorless cameras struggle at studio photo shoots. Their viewfinders were very dark. We take light meter reading and enter those settings into the camera. The aperture is usually set to f/8. DSLR cameras will hold the lens aperture at its largest setting until an instant before the shutter opens.
A lot of photographers, amateur and pro, like opti... (show quote)


Most mirrorless cameras EVFs don't go dark. I have actually had the EVF go nearly dark, still seeing the faint image in the EVF, remove it from my eye so I could better see the scene, and found I could see nothing without the EVF! It was the last time I tried that.

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Aug 20, 2018 05:34:28   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
warrior wrote:
With all the mirrorless cameras coming out are we going to see the end of DSLR?


I was in B&H yesterday just to browse - took some peeks into the EVFs of the A9/7, XT2, OM-D series - then took a peek into the OVF of the D850...no comparison nothing beats the speed of light and the look of reality! The OVF is big and bright and most of all doesn't look like I have my eyeball pressed against my monitor as with an EVF. The instant return mirror hardly causes a blink. Many photogs still prefer and will continue to prefer the OVF so I don't see that happening for another 5-10 years. If it works well why switch? Until they make an EVF that appears 100% as reality then I will continue to use my DSLRs! BTW the Nikon and Canon DSLR booths at B&H were just as crowded as ever. No doubt mirrorless will be ever popular as time marches on but why be a lemming? Benefits don't make it compelling enough - they will both coexist for some years more.

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Aug 20, 2018 06:31:29   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
warrior wrote:
With all the mirrorless cameras coming out are we going to see the end of DSLR?


I still know of photographers using 8x10" film View Cameras. I still lust for a good Rolleiflex! And many of the younger crowd are interested in vintage SLRs as well as LPs again. Yes, I shoot with a DSLR (or four) most of the time. I guess us old cranky geezers are the futurists. I still prefer optical viewfinders and vintage lenses with click stops. I may some day buy a MILC but it would be for different uses.

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Aug 20, 2018 06:35:32   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Bipod wrote:
I second that.

Please send me your obsolete, unwanted Hasselblad, Leica, Zeiss Contax, Nikon F3, Mamiya,
Graflex, Arca-Swiss, Deardorff, Sinar, etc. film cameras.

I am also accepting obsolete cars such as the Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, the Dusenberger Model X,
Porche Speedster, etc. For one in cherry condition, I will even trade you a brand new Chevy with
wifi and a talking GPS!!


I'll take a few of those too.

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Aug 20, 2018 06:39:14   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
warrior wrote:
With all the mirrorless cameras coming out are we going to see the end of DSLR?


Not in my lifetime. TLRs were still selling and being used well into the 1970s.

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