olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

Proudly serving the North American Continent, two shelters open today!!!!!!!!!

FreddB Loc: PA - Delaware County

I'll take the Mid-Atlantic region ☺☺☺; so, we've got the entire East Coast covered!

BebuLamar

Perhaps but then what would happen? I hope people will sell their DSLR cheap.

User ID

" It's not WUSIWYG when using studio strobes. "

Clearly a statement by someone lacking any
useful skill with studio strobes.

Won't try to explain it all here, but read up on
the proper use of studio strobes with built-in
modeling lights. Modeling lights DEFINE studio
strobes. No modeling lights ? The it's NOT a
studio strobe.

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With strobes lacking modeling lights, any
camera still is as WSIEYG as your eyes are.

WHICH camera ? All of them ... digital, fiim,
pinhole, SLR, live view ... all of them.

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Saying that any particular type of camera is
NOT WYSIWYG with strobes is disingenuous
or even outright deceptive. Might as well
also mention that said camera is incapable
in flying in a vaccuum ... that would be just
as useful.

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olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

Now we just need the West Coast (might need 3 for Cali, esp. if they split it up), Alaska and Hawaii, Canada (Provinces) and Mexico (and let's not forget Central America). The Franchise Fee for the starter group is $three-fifty ($3.50 USD), and that is just to cover all the BS....and there is a T-shirt (featuring us as a "Designated No-Kill DSLR Shelter") for an additional $9.95.

olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

I agree, mirrorless (or some other new fangled do-dad) will replace, and will get better and better. The faster technology evolves, the shorter the life cycle of the products, and the faster the path to profit generation. As for my shelter, I apologize for the minor hijacking....I don't know what it is, sometimes these things just pop out (puns may be forming at this very moment).

CO

It sounds like you haven't done any studio work. I've done a lot of studio photo shoots. I have two studio strobes. Both have modeling lamps and I use them. Generally, the modeling lamps are used to get an idea of how the lighting will be in the final photo but they generally don't have the power output of the main flash tube. My Paul C. Buff strobes have exceptionally powerful modeling lamps (400W equivalent LED) and can be used as a continuous light. The problem with using a modeling lamp as a continuous source is that it can cause the model to squint and it's stressful over a period of time.

It's not WUSIWYG because the camera doesn't know anything about the intensity of the light when the strobes fire. That's why people use incident light meters to take readings from the strobe light. I use my Sekonic L-478DR for that.

Tell me how you go about using studio strobes with your camera. What is your procedure?

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

Mirrorless cameras were around long before the DSLR. The newer MILC'S will no doubt grow in popularity and eventually will completely replace DSLR'S but I'm sure this will take several more years to come about.

My biggest complaint about my MILC is size. My big hands are accustomed to the size and shape of my DSLR'S and I find using my smaller MILC, especially with a large lens, to be somewhat awkward. For hand held photography I prefer a DSLR.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

It's WYSIWYG not WUSIWYG.

BebuLamar

I don't think they were around before DSLR as they were both introduced in the 90's. The early mirrorless of course has no interchangeable lens and the early DSLR may even have external hard drive to store the pictures.

CO

That's nitpicking. That's how it's been stated from the start of this thread.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

I have one camera with an EVF and I love it. It's fast, really shows what you are getting, even with filters, and best of all, you can see highlight warnings, histogram and true depth of field. I only wish there was a way to add this to a DSLR. It wasn't always like this, of course. But the OVF adherents haven't experienced the current state of the art.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Actually you are half-right. Studio strobes and many mono lights have modeling lights, specifically to "preview" the results of how you set up the lights. Of course the camera won't see the actual light from the strobes firing, but any good photographer can make the easy transfer of modeling light to strobe. It is as easy as setting up the shot with a high ISO for the modeling lights, then backing down to a lower ISO for the actual shot - without needing to change the aperture, which would obviously change the nature of the shot.

The only time it is a pain is when you are using a speed light or a mono light without a modeling light. In those situations you are correct, it's never going to be WYSIWYG. But it's not going to be WYSIWYG for a DSLR either, so it's a little bit of a regression. You'll just have to chimp . . .

Bipod

If cost and size were no object, EVFs could be wonderful. Fat chance!
Most manufactures won't even provide a viewing hood or a good fitting
eyepiece.

Actual EVFs may suffer from:
* poor visibility in bright sunlight
* low resolution (subjects look in focus when they're not)
* image lag in live view
* color balance can be off (even when the image itself is
correctly white balanced)

Also, there is no gurantee that a particular line of mirrorless cameras
will continue to support features that pros need, such as interchangable
lens. One well-known mirrorless line started out with interchangable
lenses then went to fixed lens. Hope nobody here bought one.

Some of these defects only matter if you plan to enlarge the image
or care about image quality. Most people don't, so EVF will probably
replace the DSLR in the mass market.

Mirrors are clunky, no doubt about it. But SLRs and DSLRs have been
sold that had very large, bright, very high-quality OVFs -- because the
pro market demanded it. What you saw through the OVF on a Nikon
F2 was as big and sharp as it gets. (And both the ground glass and the
entire viewfinder were interchangable!)

But it's not clear that there is such a thing as a pro camera anymore.
Even the most expensive DSLRs are bought mostly by Uncle Bob.
And today, all mirrorless cameras are mass-market cameras. What
the mass market cares about above all else is CHEAP.

Where is it written that world-class photography is supposed to be
easy, compact and cheap? Cameras aren't merely electronic
devices--they are optical devices. Good telescopes, microscopes,
etc. aren't easy-to-use, compact or cheap.

BTW, mirrorless cameras still need a mechanical shutter, because
sensors are noisy if turned on and off electronically. Solving that
problem would be a huge improvement, and would spell the death
of the DSLR. But there are no signs it will happen anytime soon.

Technology is great--but not always what's available to buy.
Sellers often argue: "Look how great the images from the Keck
Observatory are--so buy our CAT lens!" :-) Unfortunately, you'll
have to buy the Keck to get images like that.

CO

Yeh, It's not WYSIWYG for mirrorless or DSLR. I got my Sekonic L-478DR re-calibrated not long ago and it got a firmware update. It seems to be very accurate. I use that to get readings from the strobes, usually holding the meter under the model's chin.