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Aug 17, 2018 13:15:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
And so I printed my negative and now I lost the darkroom I project my slides.


I always thought that projecting high quality slides with the right equipment and in the right setting was the best way to view film. I almost never shot color negative film until I had a family who insisted on sets of prints to share among themselves and with others.

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Aug 17, 2018 13:25:14   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Scotty, NO offense or personal attachment taken.
I interpreted, "spray and prey(S&P)", as a technique that takes no skill by those that have no skill, not as an alternative professional technique, no different than using a tripod or ND filter to be used as needed in a situation that will improve our chances of landing the shot just as we envision prior to shooting!
Not defensive but I do speak up if a technique used at any given time by every sports professional on this planet is used to imply a mindless way to shoot by beginners that don't know how to get results. That said, cameras don't use themselves, we need to know how to use them.
The following is a good example of combing everything both of us have said. Taken with a Canon 5Dmkll, with a focus system that sucks for action and a pedestrian frame rate!
Scotty, NO offense or personal attachment taken. ... (show quote)

I don't have anything against spray and pray. If you are using digital it's one of the ways to ensure at least one successful image out a=of a whole bunch taken at the otherwise non-decisive moment. Moving subjects are a good place to use that method and a good time to use digital rather than film.

Even with 35mm it is common practice to print a contact sheet and draw a circle around one or two images while disregarding the rest. Small format film shooters have done that from the beginning.

But as your skill and judgement improves and you spend more time with medium and large format your percentage of keepers should continue to go up.

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Aug 17, 2018 15:57:35   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DaveC1 wrote:
Okay, why don't we all take a look at these two postings; same subject mater, same photographer, one shot with film and the other digital. Can you see any difference?

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-548336-1.html

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-547949-1.html

Everybody agrees with the advantages of digital. There are some of us here that think film has to use a non technical term (and to attempt not to get into a further argument over which media has better resolution) a better look to it.
Okay, why don't we all take a look at these two po... (show quote)


They're all nice photos. Kudos to Mr. Sager.

I mildly prefer the cleaner look of the digital images, but the only real difference I see is film grain. If that is objectionable, at least a portion of it may be removed in Lightroom or other software with noise reduction.

One of the big advantages of post-processing raw files is that you can apply film simulation LUTs (lookup tables) to the data to make the image look like your favorite film. Fujifilm does this IN THE CAMERA with their JPEG processor. It simulates their more popular films.

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Aug 17, 2018 16:04:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
therwol wrote:
I always thought that projecting high quality slides with the right equipment and in the right setting was the best way to view film. I almost never shot color negative film until I had a family who insisted on sets of prints to share among themselves and with others.


Yeah... I always wanted to get the look of a Kodachrome slide on a print. With proper scanning or re-photographing the slide, today we can make that print.

I loved slides. As a 20-something, I made a living producing multi-image slide shows using up to 15 projectors, projected on a wide screen, synchronized to a sound track via computer. Most fun I ever had, in public? Making a room full of teenage yearbook editors wet their pants (figuratively speaking) with my shows.

It's a lost art.

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Aug 21, 2018 11:26:30   #
Eddy Vortex
 
If you are afraid of the new technology ...why would you even consider buying a top of the line camera??? Go rent one.

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Aug 21, 2018 12:00:26   #
Quinn 4
 
I am a die in the wool film camera person, but yesterday my sister took a picture of our dog, The picture came out great, it was as good as any picture I have take with any of my film camera. The camera she use is a Fujfilm Fine Pix S4250. What setting she had for the camera, I don't known. I have seen some other pictures she has done with that camera were good pictures. I got the camera for her few xmas back, I think I pay $150.00 for it. If a person wants a digital camera so be it, but way pay $1000+ for a camera when you can get the same picture with a $150.00 camera. Now don't reply with some high tech bs, it don't wash. Remember it the person behind the camera.

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Aug 21, 2018 12:21:36   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yeah... I always wanted to get the look of a Kodachrome slide on a print. With proper scanning or re-photographing the slide, today we can make that print.

I loved slides. As a 20-something, I made a living producing multi-image slide shows using up to 15 projectors, projected on a wide screen, synchronized to a sound track via computer. Most fun I ever had, in public? Making a room full of teenage yearbook editors wet their pants (figuratively speaking) with my shows.

It's a lost art.
Yeah... I always wanted to get the look of a Kodac... (show quote)


Wow I only have 3 projectors now. I need to buy 12 more. I need to build me the dissolve control unit and a PC control slide advancing and sync with sound track. That would be cool. But still I have to shoot some slides.

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Aug 21, 2018 12:21:43   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
I am a die in the wool film camera person, but yesterday my sister took a picture of our dog, The picture came out great, it was as good as any picture I have take with any of my film camera. The camera she use is a Fujfilm Fine Pix S4250. What setting she had for the camera, I don't known. I have seen some other pictures she has done with that camera were good pictures. I got the camera for her few xmas back, I think I pay $150.00 for it. If a person wants a digital camera so be it, but way pay $1000+ for a camera when you can get the same picture with a $150.00 camera. Now don't reply with some high tech bs, it don't wash. Remember it the person behind the camera.
I am a die in the wool film camera person, but ye... (show quote)


It depends on what type of photos you are doing. With good lighting and a static subject, most any camera, including phones, can get a good shot. But a high end camera will allow you to shoot fast action and low light, and contrasty lighting situations, if you have learned to use it to its full capabilities. Take that $150 camera to an indoor sporting event and see what you get.

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Aug 21, 2018 12:59:23   #
Quinn 4
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
It depends on what type of photos you are doing. With good lighting and a static subject, most any camera, including phones, can get a good shot. But a high end camera will allow you to shoot fast action and low light, and contrasty lighting situations, if you have learned to use it to its full capabilities. Take that $150 camera to an indoor sporting event and see what you get.


In the field of film cameras, I did with a Pentax K-1000 in fast action and low light indoor sporting event. Use 400 speed film. You said it your self "If you have learned to use it to its full capabilities." Which most people don't use their camera to full capabilities. If people did that one could use a camera like my sister have.

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Aug 21, 2018 14:10:18   #
BebuLamar
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
In the field of film cameras, I did with a Pentax K-1000 in fast action and low light indoor sporting event. Use 400 speed film. You said it your self "If you have learned to use it to its full capabilities." Which most people don't use their camera to full capabilities. If people did that one could use a camera like my sister have.


I never use any cameras to its full capabilities. Even back in the 70's I had a Nikon F2 and I never used the 1/2000 shutter speed.

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Aug 21, 2018 15:14:02   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I never use any cameras to its full capabilities. Even back in the 70's I had a Nikon F2 and I never used the 1/2000 shutter speed.


Back in film days I rarely used the cameras top speed either, but those times were built around the limitations of THAT equipment and slow films!
Today I frequently shoot at 1/8000 and it’s not fast enough to limit the light if shooting at f1.8 on a very bright day shooting somewhat into the sun.
The times require different horses and techniques!!! LoL
SS

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Aug 21, 2018 15:15:32   #
BebuLamar
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Back in film days I rarely used the cameras top speed either, but those times were built around the limitations of THAT equipment and slow films!
Today I frequently shoot at 1/8000 and it’s not fast enough to limit the light if shooting at f1.8 on a very bright day shooting somewhat into the sun.
The times require different horses and techniques!!! LoL
SS


I do use high shutter speed today but then I never use the P mode or live view either.

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Aug 21, 2018 15:26:11   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I never use any cameras to its full capabilities. Even back in the 70's I had a Nikon F2 and I never used the 1/2000 shutter speed.


By using the camera's full capabilities, I don't mean you have to use all the settings. Just know what they all do and how to use them to accomplish what you want to do.

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