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Aug 12, 2018 23:34:54   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
HOT Texas wrote:
I bet Sony is wishing all the luck in the world to Nikon, that just means more sales to Sony's sensor department

By the way it will be Nikon that want have any lenses for there new mirrowless and then it will be pro lenses, there (nikon) are years behind.


It’s called hedging your bets. It’s win-win for Sony.

Why do you say that about the Nikon lenses? There will be an adaptor for the F-mount lenses. So you should be able use your existing F-mount lenses with the new mirrorless camera body. Possibly the new mount will enable the design of even faster lenses than the f-mount facilitated, but for now you can use your existing Nikkor lenses, and they fail to suck. So is there a problem here?

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Aug 13, 2018 00:30:00   #
gwilliams6
 
Found this photo for any Canon fanboys. This is what will happen to Canon if they don't get it right with their own fullframe mirrorless to compete with Sony and Nikon. They will get eaten for lunch. lol Cheers


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Aug 13, 2018 00:38:40   #
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Why does anybody have any problem
with "Sony Haters" ? Really, what harm
can they do while making themselves
look foolish ? Oh ... maybe they could
sway a few undecided buyers to buy a
Nikon instead of a Sony ? That must be
it. There's no other "harm" they can do.

Soooo ... apparently the Sony Crusader
Squad must counter the efforts of fools
who might lead idiots astray ? Let idiots
go astray.

All this nonsense about who's got "Pro"
gear and who's lacking it in their line.
"Pro" gear is entirely unnecessary to a
manufacturer's line up. Long white lens
barrels do NOT keep the lights on in a
factory. "Pros" are a marketing fiction.
Their so-called jobs are evaporating at
an alarming rate, and thaz not any new
trend. It's beyond critical already, and
not very far from "end game".

A solid line up just needs a variety of
reliable gear able to produce quality
images for a variety of POPULAR uses.
NOT every niche need be served. Sony
already has too much variety available
for purchase. More is just *more* :-(

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Aug 13, 2018 00:39:35   #
gwilliams6
 
JD750 wrote:
It’s called hedging your bets. It’s win-win for Sony.

Why do you say that about the Nikon lenses? There will be an adaptor for the F-mount lenses. So you should be able use your existing F-mount lenses with the new mirrorless camera body. Possibly the new mount will enable the design of even faster lenses than the f-mount facilitated, but for now you can use your existing Nikkor lenses, and they fail to suck. So is there a problem here?


We are hopeful a Nikon adapter will allow older-designed lenses which are NOT fully electronic aperture control to work with a fully electronic system in the new Nikon mirrorless. My point is Nikon is making new mirrorless lenses, so there must be some advantage to how well those new mirrorless lenses will work with their new fullframe mirrorless cameras. So older lenses may be usable on the new cameras, but probably wont perform as well as their new mirrorless lenses. We will see if Nikon solves this dilemma . That is key to keeping their folks in camp. Cheers

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Aug 13, 2018 00:49:00   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
We are hopeful a Nikon adapter will allow older-designed lenses which are NOT fully electronic aperture control to work with a fully electronic system in the new Nikon mirrorless. My point is Nikon is making new mirrorless lenses, so there must be some advantage to how well those new mirrorless lenses will work with their new fullframe mirrorless cameras. So older lenses may be usable on the new cameras, but probably wont perform as well as their new mirrorless lenses. We will see if Nikon solves this dilemma . That is key to keeping their folks in camp. Cheers
We are hopeful a Nikon adapter will allow older-de... (show quote)


Iit’s similar to what happened when they went to autufocus lenses during the SLR days is it not? Nikon has always been good about making sure legacy lenses will physically mount to the new cameras. It is pure speculation on my part but methinks with some legacy lenses some electronic functions may not work, but if so, you will be able use manual settings to get the shot.

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Aug 13, 2018 00:51:54   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
JD750 wrote:
It’s called hedging your bets. It’s win-win for Sony.

Why do you say that about the Nikon lenses? There will be an adaptor for the F-mount lenses. So you should be able use your existing F-mount lenses with the new mirrorless camera body. Possibly the new mount will enable the design of even faster lenses than the f-mount facilitated, but for now you can use your existing Nikkor lenses, and they fail to suck. So is there a problem here?


It is not really hedging your bets--just superior sensor technology.

As far as Nikkor lenses are concerned: you will be able to use them on your DSLR as they "fail to suck," as you so succinctly state. No problem here.

If you want to use current F-mount Nikkor lenses on the new Nikon mirrorless system you will need an adapter, as we all know. That adapter may or may not work very well. A key issue is the different flange focal distance. This is the distance between the sensor plane (or focal plane) and the lens mount (or flange plane). In the Sony E mount this is 18mm (the other mirrorless systems are in the same ballpark), in the current Nikon F mount it is 46.5mm. I am not sure what the distance is in the new Nikon mirrorless system, but I would assume that it will be close to the Sony E mount. (We will find out on 8/23.)

The much shorter flange focal distance allows for a different mirrorless lens design that is lighter and has fewer elements, and the camera in turn will be designed for this short flange focal range as well. This is a further reason why your old Nikkor lenses may work sub-optimally on the new Nikon mirrorless system. So Nikon will be under a lot of pressure to come up with native mirrorless lenses fast--just as Sony was when they brought the first mirrorless full-frame camera to the market in 2013. Nikon certainly will be able to do that, but it will take time. Keep in mind that Nikon still has to develop this expertise. It also will take time for third-party providers to build native lenses for Nikon mirrorless, although they may be able to adapt designs of lenses they built for Sony. There finally is a pretty complete lineup of native full-frame lenses for the Sony E-mount--I would expect a similar time lag for the Nikon mirrorless system.

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Aug 13, 2018 01:11:46   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
zug55 wrote:
It is not really hedging your bets--just superior sensor technology.

As far as Nikkor lenses are concerned: you will be able to use them on your DSLR as they "fail to suck," as you so succinctly state. No problem here.

If you want to use current F-mount Nikkor lenses on the new Nikon mirrorless system you will need an adapter, as we all know. That adapter may or may not work very well. A key issue is the different flange focal distance. This is the distance between the sensor plane (or focal plane) and the lens mount (or flange plane). In the Sony E mount this is 18mm (the other mirrorless systems are in the same ballpark), in the current Nikon F mount it is 46.5mm. I am not sure what the distance is in the new Nikon mirrorless system, but I would assume that it will be close to the Sony E mount. (We will find out on 8/23.)

Not only shorter flange distance but also larger opening meaning faster, smaller, lighter (pick any two) lens designs will be forthcoming.

The much shorter flange focal distance allows for a different mirrorless lens design that is lighter and has fewer elements, and the camera in turn will be designed for this short flange focal range as well. This is a further reason why your old Nikkor lenses may work sub-optimally on the new Nikon mirrorless system. So Nikon will be under a lot of pressure to come up with native mirrorless lenses fast--just as Sony was when they brought the first mirrorless full-frame camera to the market in 2013. Nikon certainly will be able to do that, but it will take time. Keep in mind that Nikon still has to develop this expertise. It also will take time for third-party providers to build native lenses for Nikon mirrorless, although they may be able to adapt designs of lenses they built for Sony. There finally is a pretty complete lineup of native full-frame lenses for the Sony E-mount--I would expect a similar time lag for the Nikon mirrorless system.
It is not really hedging your bets--just superior ... (show quote)

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Aug 13, 2018 09:48:53   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Landscape and Wildlife shooting with the Sony 400mm f2.8 G-Master lens and Sony A9 (handheld) in Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGpop6Tq4i8

I can do most of those shots with my 200-500 mm Nikon. Nice but nothing special in the video. My focusing system is at least as fast without spending the extra money. Nice video though. Many thanks.

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Aug 13, 2018 11:34:45   #
gwilliams6
 
billnikon wrote:
I can do most of those shots with my 200-500 mm Nikon. Nice but nothing special in the video. My focusing system is at least as fast without spending the extra money. Nice video though. Many thanks.


Glad you like your Nikon system and it works for you.

However the facts are that the A9 focusing system is the fastest on the market. It has 695 phase-detection and 425 contrast-detection points covering 93% of the frame. Super for autofocus acquisition and tracking of moving subjects from corner to corner of the frame. NO DSLR, of any make, at any price, even comes close to this focus coverage. Plus the A9s exclusive stacked front-illuminated image sensor and processor allows for true 20fps shooting, with NO viewfinder blackout. Again, no DSLR can do this. This is a game changer for sports and wildlife shooting.

Hey not everyone can afford this lens and this camera, I get that. I use both my Sony 70-200mm f2.8 G-master lens and Sony 2X extender, as well as my Sigma Contemporary 150-600mm f5-6.3 lenses on my fullframe Sony A7RIII, A7III and my APS-C A6500 for sports and wildlife. But I do get the same great focusing system (with 93% coverage) of the A9 on my A7III. Cheers

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Aug 13, 2018 13:14:13   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Glad you like your Nikon system and it works for you.

However the facts are that the A9 focusing system is the fastest on the market. It has 695 phase-detection and 425 contrast-detection points covering 93% of the frame. Super for autofocus acquisition and tracking of moving subjects from corner to corner of the frame. NO DSLR, of any make, at any price, even comes close to this focus coverage. Plus the A9s exclusive stacked front-illuminated image sensor and processor allows for true 20fps shooting, with NO viewfinder blackout. Again, no DSLR can do this. This is a game changer for sports and wildlife shooting.

Hey not everyone can afford this lens and this camera, I get that. I use both my Sony 70-200mm f2.8 G-master lens and Sony 2X extender, as well as my Sigma Contemporary 150-600mm f5-6.3 lenses on my fullframe Sony A7RIII, A7III and my APS-C A6500 for sports and wildlife. But I do get the same great focusing system (with 93% coverage) of the A9 on my A7III. Cheers
Glad you like your Nikon system and it works for y... (show quote)

My keep rate with the D500 with the 200-500 attached is nearly 99%. Sorry Charlie, Sony is not there yet.

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Aug 13, 2018 13:20:07   #
HOT Texas Loc: From the Heart of Texas
 
billnikon wrote:
My keep rate with the D500 with the 200-500 attached is nearly 99%. Sorry Charlie, Sony is not there yet.



Wrong!!!!!!

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Aug 13, 2018 14:33:19   #
gwilliams6
 
billnikon wrote:
My keep rate with the D500 with the 200-500 attached is nearly 99%. Sorry Charlie, Sony is not there yet.


Wrong fella !!!! Biilnikon the truth and reality doesn't seem to reach you ever. Sony is there, and Nikon and Canon are spending big money scrambling to catch up now to Sony's fullframe mirrorless leadership and performance. I guess you will just always be a truth denier and Sony basher. There is no way you will believe the facts. So sad.

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Aug 13, 2018 14:42:20   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Wrong fella !!!! Biilnikon the truth and reality doesn't seem to reach you ever. I guess you will just always be a denier and Sony basher. There is no way you will believe the facts. So sad.


You can't deny his 99% keeper rate. You don't know how much he shoots and he seldom shows any images. Of the two I saw one was a keeper. I guess the next 98 were keepers also.

It always amazes me how half the time "It's the photographer, not the camera", while the rest of the time we wrestle with what brand is better.

Life is good that we don't have to work all day every day for our next meal.

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Aug 13, 2018 15:11:14   #
gwilliams6
 
Bill_de wrote:
You can't deny his 99% keeper rate. You don't know how much he shoots and he seldom shows any images. Of the two I saw one was a keeper. I guess the next 98 were keepers also.

It always amazes me how half the time "It's the photographer, not the camera", while the rest of the time we wrestle with what brand is better.

Life is good that we don't have to work all day every day for our next meal.

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You can't deny his 99% keeper rate. You don't know... (show quote)


Bill-de I was never referring to his keeper rate. I take him at his word on that. I was responding to his saying Sony wasn't there yet, that is all. That is a somewhat ridiculous statement from someone who probably hasn't even ever used the best of Sony gear. For me, someone who has used the very top pro gear from Nikon and Canon and now Sony, I can honestly say I have a better keeper rate with my Sony gear than any of my top Nikon and Canon gear, which I thought was the best I could use at the time. Using the best of Sony has been like a revelation. And no one here can rationally question my skills and credentials, hard earned over 44 years as a pro. Cheers

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Aug 13, 2018 16:25:44   #
gwilliams6
 
https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/13/breaking-nikon-z6-and-z7-full-frame-mirrorless-cameras-and-three-lenses-coming-on-august-23rd-z-noct-nikkor-58mm-f-0-95-lens-to-be-announced-later.aspx/

The latest from Nikon rumors, with clear photos of the new body. It does look like some good gear is heading our way folks. Hey even though I am a Sony shooter, I welcome Nikon to the fullframe mirrorless party . They will make Sony do even more with their next releases. Sony saw this coming and will be prepared to answer for sure with some tricks up their sleeves that we know nothing about yet. . August 23rd for the Nikon intro. Cheers

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