Why can't a dslr have the same amount of functions as a P&S or Bridge Camera (Page 2): JFK ?

daddybear Loc: Brunswick, NY

JFK ?

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

daddybear wrote:

JFK ?

RFK

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

Kmgw9v wrote:

RFK

Actually George Bernard Shaw in its original version. Quoted by JFK in an address to the Irish Parliament. Became part of RFK’s stump speech in his presidential campaign, and famously, with his voice quaking, quoted by Ted Kennedy at his brother’s funeral.

One of my favorite lines.

Andy

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

AndyH wrote:

Actually George Bernard Shaw in its original version. Quoted by JFK in an address to the Irish Parliament. Became part of RFK’s stump speech in his presidential campaign, and famously, with his voice quaking, quoted by Ted Kennedy at his brother’s funeral.

One of my favorite lines.

Andy

I remember it from Robert's campaign. Didn't know the history.

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

Kmgw9v wrote:

I remember it from Robert's campaign. Didn't know the history.

Bobby’s son, Joe II, is my astrological twin. Born on the same day and at the same time - about thirty miles apart. I worked on all of his campaigns and attended several of the famous Hyannisport singalong parties celebrating “our” birthday.

Andy

Rongnongno Loc: FL

tenny52 wrote:

Recently I bought a Panasonic FZ80 for my pending ... (show quote)

A single question:
Do you like predigested food cooked by some wannabe 'master chef'?

This is what a do-it-all camera does. Everything is decided by some engineer, and delivered to you as a 'final product' to accept as 'good'. A DSLR on the other hand offers fewer pre-digested options and allow you more control on what the camera capture. More often than not these cameras also offer a raw output that one can cook w/o (usually) the 'chef' bias of what is good.

Note that the top of the line bridge camera also offer the raw option. See if your 'meals' are available then.

So 'primitive' is not what I would call an issue. In fact I own a D500 and D850, cameras that are far from being 'primitive' but since I use them in the full manual mode, according to you they are worthless. I stripped them naked and let them run around risking an arrest for being in the raw and exposed in mostly public places. CALL THE POLICE!

tenny52 Loc: San Francisco

BebuLamar wrote:

So you know that one has to pay more to get less features.

Thank you, that's why I asked why not?
But as the selling point of view, why not the manufactures throw in or upgrade the firmware which they already have so as to edge out their competitors.
That's how Unix becomes the universal mainframe SW language because it was free to all university students who in turn helped out its research & development; same per Java.

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

tenny52 wrote:

Thank you, that's why I asked why not?
But as the selling point of view, why not the manufactures throw in or upgrade the firmware which they already have so as to edge out their competitors.
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I think it’s marketing. When you’re trying to sell to a (theoretically) more sophisticated market, you don’t throw in features that they’re unlikely to use and scream “amateur” to some. I’d be happy if my DSLRs didn’t have anything on the dial but P, A, S, and M - haven’t used any of the presets since I got them, except by accidentally turning the dial.

Two thousand dollar mountain bikes don’t come with training wheels.

Andy

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

A zillion features has become an option (and a curse) with modern electronics, especially from Japanese designers. For example, my wife’s Lexus has a 300 page seperate manual on the use of the nav system, which to me, is the worst possible design imaginable. The best design is always the simplest that accomplishes the task. I would always opt for performance and simplicity of operation rather than features, and many professional grade cameras reflect this philosophy.

BebuLamar

tenny52 wrote:

Thank you, that's why I asked why not?
But as the selling point of view, why not the manufactures throw in or upgrade the firmware which they already have so as to edge out their competitors.
That's how Unix becomes the universal mainframe SW language because it was free to all university students who in turn helped out its research & development; same per Java.

I give you another the short answer. It cost more to make a camera with few features than one with more features today. If you think the DSLR are expensive then check the rangefinder Leica M series. They have even fewer features and cost even more. Although they do put a higher profit margin on top of those but the actual cost of making them is more.
But anyway if you enjoy those feature on a P&S or bridge camera then buy them and save yourself a bunch.

tenny52 Loc: San Francisco

Rongnongno wrote:

A single question: br Do you like predigested food... (show quote)

Thank you, sometimes predigested jpg or mp4 would not be too bad as an option for the less sophisticated who might want to buy the expensive models just for their image and status.
I shoot my D610 in Raw/jpeg and M mode mostly, even my flash operates in manual only.
There should be a Raw-only and Manual mode only (no auto ISO nor WB) camera for the pro-pro, auto-focus is OK, isn't there?

Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA

Don't beat yourself up. This isn't a pinhole image. It is a world famous image, considered one of the 100 best images ever taken, called "Boulevard du Temple, Paris, 8 in the Morning" taken around 1838 or 1839 by Louis-Jacques-Mandé Daguerre, who is considered one of the fathers of photography.

From http://www.alistairscott.com/daguerre/

"It is a daguerrotype, taken by Louis-Jacques-Mandé Daguerre (after whom the process was named), an image recorded on a sheet of copper coated with silver and developed by mercury fumes."

The camera, which weighs about 50 lbs, designed by Daguerre, was the first commercially produced camera. An 1839 model camera and German language manual, in mint condition, signed by Daguerre, was auctioned in Austria in 2010, and sold for $836,000.

Jupiter Creek wrote:

I hope this isn't taken wrongly. br My 610 is an i... (show quote)

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

How many functions do you want? I recently upgraded (???) from a D200 to a D7100 for the extra mega pixels. It has so many functions that I'm about ready to throw it into the river! And I'm still using the D200 and loving it.

HT

Bobspez wrote:

Don't beat yourself up. This isn't a pinhole image... (show quote)

First ever photograph of people, wasn’t it? My recall for history comes and goes :)

On topic. Many people do not want all the bells a whistles. Adding all those extra features means compromises are being made elsewhere for features which are of no interest to me.

And I don’t accept for a second those features are “free” in $ or performance trade offs.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Rongnongno wrote:

A single question: br Do you like predigested food... (show quote)

Predigested?

Beer
Cheese
Wine
Kopi Luwak
Yogurt
Kumbucha
Kefir
Soy Sauce
Sauerkraut
Kimchi
Fermented Doufu
Salt Fish
Yeast-raised Bread
Sourdough Bread
Injera
Dosa
Hard Cider
Vinegar
Miso
Tempeh
Crème Fraîche
Buttermilk
Kvass
Pickles
Nuoc Mam and other fermented fish sauces
Cocoa
Salamis and other cured sausages
Stinky Tofu
Tabasco sauce

I have no problem with partially predigested food, or dishes prepared with predigested ingredients.

I am a fan of primitive and primal. I use my cameras in their primal state more often than not.