Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA

I just noticed once again these really great discussions of camera and technology are getting political comments for no reason.
What is this quote doing in a discussion about computers. Microsoft is the world's computer and they have had problems dealing with that.
But this is just awful. What does liberal or conservative have to do with computing. That Mac users are liberals??

"It's funny that most Apple owners always have to use the same kind of discussion or argument techniques that liberals and "snowflakes" use."

Am I an winner of many awards for communications and graphics having owned many successful creative companies over the years a "snowflake."
My companies have worked for many serious companies like ADP, Kimberly Clark, McDonald's etc. I have participated in many charities for
first responders children with disabilities and the homeless. I am a political moderate. I believe that this country needs a basic healthcare system
and that people that are lazy should have a job. If being a patriot requires a truck and a flag hanging from it. That is not us.
If you and others continue this name calling and rude behavior you will see what will come of it. I suggest you read the great book
"In the Garden of the Beasts" by Erik Larson. How what happened in Europe became the Nazi movement and a World War.

dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

Bill Gates doesn't need a computer for business.. He has "people" to deal that such mundane things. However, the same is also true of Jobs at Apple... In the 80's, Jobs was busy delegating everything to subordinates. In the early to mid 80's I was an Apple National Accounts Rep and had to visit Corp headquarters and meetings with Jobs and Woz. They spent as much time taking doobie breaks as they did conferencing with us lowlifes... I think Job's biggest claim to fame (he was a business man, Wozniak was the techie) was that he was able to get rid of Woz and take over the entire company.. Just like Gates "acquired" DOS from his college roommate (that was going to submit the OS for his college computer science class. Many big business success stories are not about how technically adept you are as much as recognizing a good product that fills a need and can be acquired (legally or not) and properly distributed. Microsoft DOS is what built Microsoft, then Windows (which was a Lisa/Mac ripoff). Apple (under Jobs) big disadvantage was that everything they did had to be Apple.. they discouraged third party programs and hardware. Microsoft built very little hardware.. they left computers, printers and everything hardware related to "Hardware" companies like Compaq, Dell, NEC, etc. Apple wanted everything to come from them.

BB2 Loc: Sacramento CA

Back on topic....

I had this problem with an earlier update. After 2 days waiting for it to complete I finally decided to Bite the Bullet and shut down my computer hoping it wouldn't be scrambled from not having completed the update. When I re-stated I got an updating message on light blue screen and soon everything was working fine and the update appeared to have been completed.

BB2 Loc: Sacramento CA

Yes - Always back up your photos. You never know when a hard drive will die and all will be lost.

I have added a discussion here "Easy Backup of Your Photos" with instructions for a batch file which makes this an easy task that gives you a backup set which is copies of the actual files rather than a coded file which needs to run through the recovery process of a backup program.

jtlareau Loc: Hurst, TX (originally Toledo, OH)

After working in IT for over 43 years, and being involved with Microsoft in one way, shape or form since DOS 1.0, I can state pretty firmly that Microsoft issues like the ones seen today did NOT start until after Bill Gates left Microsoft. These issues started during the Steve Ballmer era.

I currently run Windows 10 on 2 desktops, and my son runs Windows 10 on a laptop. Last year, he had a similar issue updating his laptop after taking it out of storage where it sat for 6 months. Unfortunately, the version that he was running expired with Microsoft support and went past the "grace" period during that storage time. I was able to force an install of a newer version after researching it online. He has had zero issues since. All 3 machines successfully updated automatically to version 1803 recently and have also had zero issues. We all run McAfee and Malwarebytes and have never had to disable them.

Regarding Apple vs Microsoft, this is like discussing religion or politics. People who grew up with Apple (due to a very active Apple program donating computers to schools) swear by them and generally hate Microsoft. People who grew up with Microsoft (again due to a later active program by Microsoft to donate systems to schools) also love them and hate anything associated with the proprietary nature of Apple products. Personally, I have supported Microsoft for many years, but have helped friends who had Macs and other Apple products. Everytime I have to work on a Mac, I have to retrain myself because of the basic operational differences between the 2 types of machines... And I have to admit, I dislike Macs because of this... I admit my bias. But I also hold my breath everytime I have to do a major upgrade on my Windows machines.... So I guess I have a healthy view of reality too.

In any case, I now believe that people just need to use whatever system that they are most comfortable with in the end. Allow that system to upgrade automatically (since most issues happen when people try to restrict the upgrades and don't fully understand the reasons behind them), and in general, they should be in good shape.

Cape Coral Joel

Try this: To find all of the troubleshooters, select Start > Settings > Update & security > Troubleshoot. Many times during the update process your monitor turns black and it looks like it isn't doing anything. Just leave it alone up to 45 minutes and it will resume the update process. I would run the update trouble shooter first.

DebAnn Loc: Toronto

Update. Took the easy way out and phoned Microsoft. One of their techies said the issue was due to my having an older version of Windows 10. He manually downloaded the latest version and started the install process. It took a couple of hours altogether but it's now up and running. He's going to call me back in an hour or so to make sure there are no problems. Yippee!

wrangler5 Loc: Missouri

I thought I remembered that, when Win10 was first announced, the update process was described as effectively mandatory. You would get what MS wanted you to have when they wanted you to have it. The stated purpose being that MS would insure all Win10 installations worldwide would be as up to date as they could make 'em, all the time. (And I remember the story of a local TV station that had their weather reporting display lock up in the middle of a broadcast, showing a Win10 update screen.)

Have they since modified the process so that users can choose NOT to get a particular piece of an update (as used to be the case), or at least choose to postpone updates to a date/time of the user's choosing? I bought my first Mac in 2012 and have moved most of our family computers to Apple since then, although we still have a couple of Win7 boxes - my wife has a laptop with a Windows-only music app that she uses constantly, and I still use my old desktop to just run some duplicate backup hard drives for my photo and media files. (Neither connect to the internet any more, and neither is being updated.) Our Apple computers do what we need and there is no reason to replace 'em at this point, but I do tell myself that if/when they DO need replacing, if I can't afford new Apple gear I'll teach myself Linux and deal with whatever software limitations come with it before I'd go back to Windows - in part because of what I thought I understood about their mandatory update policy.

jtlareau Loc: Hurst, TX (originally Toledo, OH)

Sounds like exactly the same issue I had with my son's laptop. Essentially did exactly what the MS person did to yours. I'm glad that they were able to put in the fix for you.

chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand

Windows updates -
Based on my own experience and what I see here it is probably a good idea to delay major updates for 3 months after release. That way MS will hopefully fix at least some of the inevitable bugs.
Major updates are good for a year to 18 months. If you don't do the update at some point you may find that you cannot install an update until you retro update earlier versions. And that will be a major problem for you.
I am guessing that most of you have Windows Home and the only way to prevent updates for a period is to turn your internet (wireless or fixed) into a metered connection. With Windows Pro there are several options to prevent updates for up to a year but whichever you have and whatever you want it is inevitable that your PC will update and you won't be able to stop it. Best to make it a controlled update rather than being sprung on you usually when you least want it to happen. If you wish to hold off then use google to find the best way.

DebAnn Loc: Toronto

In my situation, this was not an auto update. I signed up for the photography package with Adobe, but when I attempted to install Photoshop and LR Classic I got a note that said I first must update Windows 10. That's where this scenario began.

AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio

Well guys and girls, I did not mean to start any kind of an argument, especially political cause that always is a losing battle all around. Congress proves that. It just seems to me that any time anything comes up comparing Intel and Apple that Intel (windows) users just don't realize that MOST of them are causing their own problems or making them worse. Then Apple users USUALLY make some kind of remark that sounds like if you were as smart as me you would have a Mac computer instead of Intel (windows) computer. I forget who made the remark that I responded to, but I already made another post to TOMCAT that I did not post very well and that my post was not meant to be directed at him. I do not like windows 10, but it is on 2 of my laptops. What I don't understand is how it is taking people to take several hours and sometimes days to get updates installed on their windows 10 machines. I have all the updates on windows 10, but it has never taken over 15 or 20 minutes to complete an update on either of my windows 10 machines. I cannot imagine what so many people are doing to mess up their machines. I have tried all kinds of name brand software and figured out over the years which ones are trouble makers and are worthless on computers, and usually causes more problems than they fix. A lot of manufacturers that make good software put warnings in their directions telling people to disable their antivirus programs before attempting to install new programs or anything else on their computers, but most people don't bother to read the directions and then when problems come up the first thing they do is blame the operating system or the equipment manufacturer. Most people have no idea how many junk files are left on their computers just from using the internet. These junk files clog up systems and slow computers down, and they leave programs running in the background every time your computer is running. And most of these free antivirus programs aren't worth the space they take up on hard drives, including a lot of them that cost a lot of money. Norton (a huge resource hog), McAfee (just not up to par), Avast, Avg, etc, etc, etc,. People use them believing that if they have one antivirus program on their computer no matter who made it that they are covered for any problem. Everybody needs computers to survive in todays world, but they need to get educated about their computers and stop being so lazy. Lord knows how many dumb questions we have seen on the hog just because people are so lazy they can't look at a manual that came with their new camera and they expect someone else who did take the time to tell them why their pictures look bad. Okay, I just fell off the soap box, besides my pizza is ready.

AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio

Here is another mistake about updates. There is a menu in settings where you can postpone updates on windows 10 until between hours when you are sleeping so that your computer is not attempting to install updates while you are doing something else.

srt101fan

So you're down on Norton, McAfee, Avast, Avg. When you're done with your pizza, would you please tell us what we should be getting?

AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio

I'm taking a break so here is what I have had excellent service with. I am not down on Norton so much because they do a good job of keeping computers safe, but they control your computer so much and pile so much extra junk software on your computer when you install their antivirus that a lot of your cpu power and your ram(memory) is used up running their program that your computer is now struggling to run what program you want it to run because there are not enough free resources, hence your computer slows up or at worse freezes or crashes. Years ago McAfee was alright, but something weird happened to their founder and he went off the deep end , got into some kind of trouble with the government, was investigated by congress, and he thought people were out to get him. I think it might have had something to do with too many drugs. I always built computers for gaming for myself and my boys, learning the hard way how to setup a computer, what software worked and which didn't so that the computer always ran smoothly. I love aircraft and flying so I always set my machines up to run flight simulators which take a lot of resources. I learned years ago that the best antivirus out there was ESET internet security. It uses very few resources on your computer and it has a secure browser that you can use on line for your banking or purchasing things online and it keeps your private info private so that people won't be able to steal credit card info or banking info from you. I have used it for years and have never (knock on wood) had a failure with it. It is rather expensive, but if you go to amazon and search for it in software you can usually find some left over from the prior year for something around $25 or $30 with a 2 yr license that can be installed on up to 3 different computers. When you read the directions and do what it tells you to do Eset will install the latest version on your computer as a FREE update. Quite a bargain and a great antivirus - - I guarantee you will not be disappointed if you try it, and no I do not work for them or get any kind of compensation from them.