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Jun 13, 2018 14:11:31   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
I never trust the camera to select everything. I usually, however, select the ISO appropriate for the situation, and either go with Shutter or Aperture priority, depending on what I'm shooting. I'm I'm not satisfied with the results I may change the ISO until I am.

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Jun 13, 2018 14:13:21   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
I never trust the camera to select everything. I usually, however, select the ISO appropriate for the situation, and either go with Shutter or Aperture priority, depending on what I'm shooting. I'm I'm not satisfied with the results I may change the ISO until I am.

However, when I got my first DSLR, a D7000, before I read the manual at all I started shooting in P mode and got some excellent photos. However, I did not remain in P mode for long.

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Jun 13, 2018 14:31:26   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
SteveR wrote:
I never trust the camera to select everything. I usually, however, select the ISO appropriate for the situation, and either go with Shutter or Aperture priority, depending on what I'm shooting. I'm I'm not satisfied with the results I may change the ISO until I am.

However, when I got my first DSLR, a D7000, before I read the manual at all I started shooting in P mode and got some excellent photos. However, I did not remain in P mode for long.



And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginner can buy a nice DSLR, put it on Auto Focus, Auto ISO, Auto White Balance, Program Auto Exposure, and go out "pointing-and-clicking", get good results and THINK that he is a good photographer (or, worse, that there is simply nothing to photography. "Any fool off the street can do it.") "P" is a tool that has its place. But "God Bless the Child" that actually wants to learn and starts experimenting with the camera settings.

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Jun 13, 2018 14:36:46   #
BebuLamar
 
cameraf4 wrote:
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginner can buy a nice DSLR, put it on Auto Focus, Auto ISO, Auto White Balance, Program Auto Exposure, and go out "pointing-and-clicking", get good results and THINK that he is a good photographer (or, worse, that there is simply nothing to photography. "Any fool off the street can do it.") "P" is a tool that has its place. But "God Bless the Child" that actually wants to learn and starts experimenting with the camera settings.
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginn... (show quote)


If you get good results (that is really good) then you are a good photographer regardless how you did it.

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Jun 13, 2018 15:31:41   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
cameraf4 wrote:
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginner can buy a nice DSLR, put it on Auto Focus, Auto ISO, Auto White Balance, Program Auto Exposure, and go out "pointing-and-clicking", get good results and THINK that he is a good photographer (or, worse, that there is simply nothing to photography. "Any fool off the street can do it.") "P" is a tool that has its place. But "God Bless the Child" that actually wants to learn and starts experimenting with the camera settings.
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginn... (show quote)


What I did not say, though, is that it became apparent that P Mode could not meet my needs in more critical situations. Try, for instance, using P Mode when shooting action photography. P Mode will come nowhere near taking advantage of the capabilities of a camera like the D7000 or better.

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Jun 13, 2018 15:35:36   #
BebuLamar
 
cameraf4 wrote:
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginner can buy a nice DSLR, put it on Auto Focus, Auto ISO, Auto White Balance, Program Auto Exposure, and go out "pointing-and-clicking", get good results and THINK that he is a good photographer (or, worse, that there is simply nothing to photography. "Any fool off the street can do it.") "P" is a tool that has its place. But "God Bless the Child" that actually wants to learn and starts experimenting with the camera settings.
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginn... (show quote)


I never experiment with camera settings. I would know what's the effect is before I use it.

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Jun 13, 2018 16:17:52   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I never experiment with camera settings. I would know what's the effect is before I use it.


Only because you've actually used the same settings previously under similar circumstances. For those who have not, experimentation is necessary.

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Jun 14, 2018 13:14:45   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
cameraf4 wrote:
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginner can buy a nice DSLR, put it on Auto Focus, Auto ISO, Auto White Balance, Program Auto Exposure, and go out "pointing-and-clicking", get good results and THINK that he is a good photographer (or, worse, that there is simply nothing to photography. "Any fool off the street can do it.") "P" is a tool that has its place. But "God Bless the Child" that actually wants to learn and starts experimenting with the camera settings.
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginn... (show quote)


Usually any fool has to make 500 shots to get just one while a pro to get 150 may shoot 150 to 200. I know I shot many weddings in film and that meant at the most you had 6 rolls of 24 exposures to capture the whole wedding on. That was only 144 shots you could make and the all needed to be good to great. Even if you had blinkers that was all the film the studio gave you. You hear these days of the beach models shot by a pro photographer for Sports illustrated taking 500 to a 1000 shots per model for just one that goes into the mag. Sorry I find it totally over kill and unprofessional to put a camera on motor drive and hope for the best as they seem to do.

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Jun 14, 2018 13:15:18   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I never experiment with camera settings. I would know what's the effect is before I use it.



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Jun 14, 2018 13:19:21   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
BebuLamar wrote:
If you get good results (that is really good) then you are a good photographer regardless how you did it.


Not true you do not need 500 shots to get one. That does not make you good. Your knowledge and use if you shoot one shot per setup means you are good. The less number of shots to get one good shot is what makes a pro along with repeatable results and above average shots that count.

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Jun 14, 2018 13:26:12   #
BME Loc: Roswell, New Mexico
 
I like that. Always quality over quantity. I do all my editing. So, this process being time consuming, behooves me to take less great shots than more inferior throw away’s.

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Jun 14, 2018 14:07:27   #
BebuLamar
 
drklrd wrote:
Not true you do not need 500 shots to get one. That does not make you good. Your knowledge and use if you shoot one shot per setup means you are good. The less number of shots to get one good shot is what makes a pro along with repeatable results and above average shots that count.


Photographers are judged by their photographs. How would one verify how many shots he took to get the good one?

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Jun 14, 2018 15:54:10   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Photographers are judged by their photographs. How would one verify how many shots he took to get the good one?


As we all know, most pros, advanced amateurs, and UHHs get the shot perfect and right the first time with only one shot (Wait, is my nose actually getting longer?). 😂

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Jun 14, 2018 16:22:40   #
BebuLamar
 
wdross wrote:
As we all know, most pros, advanced amateurs, and UHHs get the shot perfect and right the first time with only one shot (Wait, is my nose actually getting longer?). 😂


I don't know as I never apply for a job as photographer. I know that you should bring your portfolio but I don't know if the chief editor would ask how many shots you took to get this one and did you use P in shooting this one?

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Jun 14, 2018 16:59:57   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
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