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Jun 14, 2018 19:45:42   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't know as I never apply for a job as photographer. I know that you should bring your portfolio but I don't know if the chief editor would ask how many shots you took to get this one and did you use P in shooting this one?




Just what I'd always ask when hiring a pro!


Andy

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Jun 14, 2018 22:01:36   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
cameraf4 wrote:
IMHO, that approach would work fine for news hounds and snap-shooters. If you fall into one of those categories, go for it. I think that most folks on this forum look at photography as a craft or art. Outside of a child's birthday party, I wouldn't imagine that many "normally" use "P".

I use "P" as a starting point. If I don't like what the camera has selected, I change it.

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Jun 14, 2018 22:04:26   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
cameraf4 wrote:
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginner can buy a nice DSLR, put it on Auto Focus, Auto ISO, Auto White Balance, Program Auto Exposure, and go out "pointing-and-clicking", get good results and THINK that he is a good photographer (or, worse, that there is simply nothing to photography. "Any fool off the street can do it.") "P" is a tool that has its place. But "God Bless the Child" that actually wants to learn and starts experimenting with the camera settings.
And that is the trap, Steve, as I see it. A beginn... (show quote)

I see people saying things like this, and then I see people saying that a great photographer would take great pictures with an instamatic.

I believe we think too much about the technical side of things, and not nearly enough about composition.

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Jun 15, 2018 12:20:41   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Photographers are judged by their photographs. How would one verify how many shots he took to get the good one?


Todays pros seem to be all about how many shots they made. Just look into the swim suit issues and you can find them bragging about taking quite a few to get one for the magazine. If they aren't the magazine is bragging or a reporter is talking about it. If I shoot 500 to give the studio that hire me it means I have a lot of computer work to do before I turn in my shots. I prefer to get it right without all the extra time in front of a video screen. I just finished my grandson's graduation album. I feel I over shot it. I shot 240 shots edited to 120 for the album. I used every shot I made outside of family stuff but edited down the event shots to keep the album all about the grandson. I shoot professionally and that gives me an edge. All of the shots were good but for an album of the event I did not know which shots not to use until I put it together. So I overshot on purpose. This was an event so yes a lot of shots were made but had it been one model remember you pay for the models time and the assistants time and the studio time. So putting a camera on auto and motor drive should be unheard of. The more time it takes the greater the billing will be. So I keep it short and to the point with all shots counting. As should all the pro's out there. if I were hiring a wedding pro I think I would ask to shadow him/her for just one wedding to see how he/she works rather than just assessing an album of his/her work. I shot for a studio that used to change my name every other wedding or so. Why? Because he lost the photographer and the album the bride chose the photographer from was the no longer working for him photographer. I was given the job because I was better than the guy he lost but he did not want to upset the bride by telling her she was not able to have the photographer she wanted. The studio still had not put out an album that had my name on it yet. The bride was happy when she saw the pics and she never knew the whole story. I eventually changed studios because of these dishonest policies.

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Jun 15, 2018 12:26:58   #
BebuLamar
 
drklrd wrote:
Todays pros seem to be all about how many shots they made. Just look into the swim suit issues and you can find them bragging about taking quite a few to get one for the magazine. If they aren't the magazine is bragging or a reporter is talking about it. If I shoot 500 to give the studio that hire me it means I have a lot of computer work to do before I turn in my shots. I prefer to get it right without all the extra time in front of a video screen. I just finished my grandson's graduation album. I feel I over shot it. I shot 240 shots edited to 120 for the album. I used every shot I made outside of family stuff but edited down the event shots to keep the album all about the grandson. I shoot professionally and that gives me an edge. All of the shots were good but for an album of the event I did not know which shots not to use until I put it together. So I overshot on purpose. This was an event so yes a lot of shots were made but had it been one model remember you pay for the models time and the assistants time and the studio time. So putting a camera on auto and motor drive should be unheard of. The more time it takes the greater the billing will be. So I keep it short and to the point with all shots counting. As should all the pro's out there. if I were hiring a wedding pro I think I would ask to shadow him/her for just one wedding to see how he/she works rather than just assessing an album of his/her work. I shot for a studio that used to change my name every other wedding or so. Why? Because he lost the photographer and the album the bride chose the photographer from was the no longer working for him photographer. I was given the job because I was better than the guy he lost but he did not want to upset the bride by telling her she was not able to have the photographer she wanted. The studio still had not put out an album that had my name on it yet. The bride was happy when she saw the pics and she never knew the whole story. I eventually changed studios because of these dishonest policies.
Todays pros seem to be all about how many shots th... (show quote)


I am not sure if a pro wedding photographer will allow you to shadow him or her. I actually would love to shadow a pro wedding photographer and make a video of how she/she is working.

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Jun 16, 2018 12:19:43   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I am not sure if a pro wedding photographer will allow you to shadow him or her. I actually would love to shadow a pro wedding photographer and make a video of how she/she is working.


Without a camera and in the background at a wedding would be the only way a pro would let you just to get your wedding business. As an un-hired assistant (prospective photographer for the pro's company) I have shadowed several. I applied for the job and told them i would go out as an assistant to help for a Saturday free of charge to learn how he would want me to handle and shoot a wedding. I would win the job every time because I would be exactly at the right place and right time he needed me. While learning what he wanted from me in the way of shooting his weddings. Carried his gear and all he needed from a pro assistant. That meant to him that I was what I claimed to be. A very good wedding photographer. Yes you can shadow under certain circumstances.

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Jun 16, 2018 13:34:43   #
BebuLamar
 
drklrd wrote:
Without a camera and in the background at a wedding would be the only way a pro would let you just to get your wedding business. As an un-hired assistant (prospective photographer for the pro's company) I have shadowed several. I applied for the job and told them i would go out as an assistant to help for a Saturday free of charge to learn how he would want me to handle and shoot a wedding. I would win the job every time because I would be exactly at the right place and right time he needed me. While learning what he wanted from me in the way of shooting his weddings. Carried his gear and all he needed from a pro assistant. That meant to him that I was what I claimed to be. A very good wedding photographer. Yes you can shadow under certain circumstances.
Without a camera and in the background at a weddin... (show quote)


I am not interested in the wedding photography business I am only interested in documenting pro wedding photographers at work.

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Jun 16, 2018 16:33:59   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I am not interested in the wedding photography business I am only interested in documenting pro wedding photographers at work.


I am fairly certain they would not mind you shooting them over the wedding. Although I they might not take you up on the offer, you could offer them a photo of them plying their trade.

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