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Jun 9, 2018 21:02:52   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
robertjerl wrote:
77D is not the successor to the 80D, it has a bit newer tech on some things but doesn't have all the 80D controls etc and not as much weather sealing.
The 77D is what would have been the T7s under the old model number system. A 90D is yet to be announced but rumored to either be for the fall photo exhibits (holiday buying season here in the US) or next spring.


I agree that the 77D is NOT the the successor to the 80D, they are different product families. I did not intend to imply that the 77D was a successor to the 80D, but that the 77D had similar controls to the 80D, and would likely have similar controls to the 80D's successor which for now we think of as the 90D for a working title. Rereading my earlier post it was very badly written. Thank you for catching that and pointing it out. Mea Culpa!

That much said, from what the OP has said, the SL2 may be a good fit for him, and the T7i and 77D have more than he may need.

For myself, the 80D is a better fit, but it all comes down to personal preferences in the end.

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Jun 9, 2018 21:07:11   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Peterff wrote:
I agree that that the 77D is NOT the the successor to the 80D, they are different product families. I did not intend to imply that the 77D was a successor to the 80D, but that the 77D had similar controls to the 80D, and would likely have similar controls to the 80D's successor which for now we think of as the 90D for a working title. Rereading my earlier post it was very badly written. Thank you for catching that and pointing it out. Mea Culpa!

That much said, from what the OP has said, the SL2 may be a good fit for him, and the T7i and 77D have more than he may need.

For myself, the 80D is a better fit, but it all comes down to personal preferences in the end.
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Isn't 'Mea Culpa' that cute little waitress at the Pizza Parlor/Sports Bar over on Main?

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Jun 9, 2018 21:10:36   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
robertjerl wrote:
Isn't 'Mea Culpa' that cute little waitress at the Pizza Parlor/Sports Bar over on Main?


No that's Mia Culpa, but it's similar phonetically. She's cute though, with a nice attitude!

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Jun 10, 2018 00:29:28   #
graybeard
 
revhen wrote:
80D. You can use all your lenses with it. Geat camera!


I can use all of my lenses with any Canon EOS mount, and the 80D did not make my final cut. But thanks anyway.

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Jun 10, 2018 00:56:40   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
graybeard wrote:
I can use all of my lenses with any Canon EOS mount, and the 80D did not make my final cut. But thanks anyway.


There is a little technical detail in there, and it depends on which specific lenses you have. For a Canon APS-C DSLR such as you have or are considering, it is probably true, but if you have Canon EF-S lenses they will not mount on full frame EOS cameras.

This may not be a consideration for you, but it is sometimes good to be aware of some of the nuances.

Anyhow, good luck with your choices, you seem to be going down a good path.

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Jun 10, 2018 01:12:28   #
graybeard
 
Peterff wrote:
There is a little technical detail in there, and it depends on which specific lenses you have. For a Canon APS-C DSLR such as you have or are considering, it is probably true, but if you have Canon EF-S lenses they will not mount on full frame EOS cameras.

This may not be a consideration for you, but it is sometimes good to be aware of some of the nuances.

Anyhow, good luck with your choices, you seem to be going down a good path.

I am aware of it, and I feel a little locked in to crop sensors, but then, from a practical standpoint the only difference is the way they increase the focal length, making wide angle a little more problematic. I have 3 EF lenses, 3 EF-S lenses, and 6 manuals in my roster, plus several others I intend to sell. I was a film guy until about 2014, usually only used them much on vacations. But when my wife gifted me with a T3 several years ago, I was hooked on digital immediately. I still have several rolls of film, likely past their expiration date. I was able to merge a few of my old lenses via adapter, and I recently re-discovered a 28-80mm with a separate macro ring. It makes macro sooooo much easier for my arthritic old body not having to bend and get so close to ugly nasty bugs. It was made by SAKAR (hoodat?) but it works beautifully, becoming my go to macro. Besides the jump from film to digital, I also had to make the jump from manual to automatic at the same time. I find I rarely use the auto pre-set modes and usually use manual, av and tv. You always seem to reply to my queries, which I appreciate.

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Jun 10, 2018 01:45:40   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
graybeard wrote:
I am aware of it, and I feel a little locked in to crop sensors, but then, from a practical standpoint the only difference is the way they increase the focal length, making wide angle a little more problematic. I have 3 EF lenses, 3 EF-S lenses, and 6 manuals in my roster, plus several others I intend to sell. I was a film guy until about 2014, usually only used them much on vacations. But when my wife gifted me with a T3 several years ago, I was hooked on digital immediately. I still have several rolls of film, likely past their expiration date. I was able to merge a few of my old lenses via adapter, and I recently re-discovered a 28-80mm with a separate macro ring. It makes macro sooooo much easier for my arthritic old body not having to bend and get so close to ugly nasty bugs. It was made by SAKAR (hoodat?) but it works beautifully, becoming my go to macro. Besides the jump from film to digital, I also had to make the jump from manual to automatic at the same time. I find I rarely use the auto pre-set modes and usually use manual, av and tv. You always seem to reply to my queries, which I appreciate.
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We seem to have some things in common. My first Canon was an AE-1 in 1976, one of the first to arrive in the UK. Then a T90, aka 'the Tank'. I still have those. Various P&S models, then T3i as first DSLR. Now 80D and the T3i.

I also will probably stick with APS-C unless I win the lottery, but I like the heft and balance of a battery grip. I use EF-S lenses for the wide end, EF for the long end and some modified FL / FD / FDn manual lenses for fun, along with a few other things just for grins.

So far I'm OK with body strength and hoisting camera equipment around, and it beats weight training!

Anyhow, it sounds like you are having fun, which is the main thing.

Good luck, take care.

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Jun 10, 2018 02:16:15   #
jdub82 Loc: Northern California
 
graybeard wrote:
I have been using my Canon T3 for several years and have no complaints, but I am toying with the idea of getting a new crop sensor Canon as my primary, and relegating my T3 as a backup. Back in film days I preferred the 2 camera approach, one with a wide-angle and the other with a telephoto, and carrying a fast lens for low light. Anyway, I have narrowed my choices to 3 models. All have the same sensor size and the same digital processor, as well as an articulated screen. The rest is bells and whistles. The SL2 is the smallest and lightest and cheapest, all of which rate for me. The T7i and the 77D are the other two. I can get a SL2 somewhere in the $375-450 range, and the others at 100-200 more, up to about 700. I do not do video, and I take one shot at a time (usually). No flash, no, or little tripod, no or little post processing. Always use only available light, I guess I am kind of a dinosaur. But hey, if you have HAD EXPERIENCE with any of these cameras, please let me benefit from your opinion.
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Before I purchased my 77D about 6 months ago, I considered both the 7Ti and the 80D. The advantages of the 77D over the 7Ti include the top LCD screen and the selection wheel on the back. I've been very pleased with the 77D. The size is smaller and lighter than the 80D, which appealed to me. The 77D has excellent auto focus and can shoot up to 25,600 native ISO. I'm not as familiar with the SL2, but would assume the main reason someone would want the SL2 over the other models would be the even smaller size, and perhaps cost savings. The 77D would be more similar in size to your current Rebel model, but also has many upgraded features, including better low light capability. The 77D is an incredible value right now while on sale at $649.00 for a new body. This is less than the price Canon normally gets for a refurbished body, and less than a new 7Ti. Any of the models you mentioned are very good cameras, you will have to decide which features are most important to you.

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Jun 10, 2018 06:30:42   #
Rogers
 
I’m very happy with my 77D, especially with the accurate auto focus. It’s noticeably superior to my 450 that is now a backup. I am only an occasional shooter of video and don’t care that it’s not the top quality video. As far as the lack of weather sealing, if rain is a possibility I have a lowpro bag that I put it in til the rain stops, or else I’m wearing a lightweight windbreaker I put over it. If I must shoot in the rain or dust I use my iPhone 7 that is “waterproof.”

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Jun 10, 2018 07:39:33   #
LarryFitz Loc: Beacon NY
 
Peterff wrote:
The SL2 is small and light, but you may want to look at the available accessories that you think you may want in the future. Do you think that you may want to use a battery grip in future? I don't think that the SL2 is designed to use one, The T7i and 77D are able to accept one, either Canon or third party.

Another consideration is what future upgrades you may consider. The controls on the 77D are similar to the 80D, and presumably the successor to that. If you see another upgrade in the future, especially to a more robust, better weather sealed camera then the 77D could be worth considering.

That said all of the options you mentioned would be a huge update from the T3. It is also worth considering a refurb body when they are in stock. They come with a 1 year warranty, the same as new. I got a refurb 80D last August and I'm very happy with it.

Good luck
The SL2 is small and light, but you may want to lo... (show quote)


I agree, I would monitor the Canon refurb site for the any of the three, hoping a 77D price would be acceptable to my wife.

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Jun 10, 2018 07:41:04   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
graybeard wrote:
I have been using my Canon T3 for several years and have no complaints, but I am toying with the idea of getting a new crop sensor Canon as my primary, and relegating my T3 as a backup. Back in film days I preferred the 2 camera approach, one with a wide-angle and the other with a telephoto, and carrying a fast lens for low light. Anyway, I have narrowed my choices to 3 models. All have the same sensor size and the same digital processor, as well as an articulated screen. The rest is bells and whistles. The SL2 is the smallest and lightest and cheapest, all of which rate for me. The T7i and the 77D are the other two. I can get a SL2 somewhere in the $375-450 range, and the others at 100-200 more, up to about 700. I do not do video, and I take one shot at a time (usually). No flash, no, or little tripod, no or little post processing. Always use only available light, I guess I am kind of a dinosaur. But hey, if you have HAD EXPERIENCE with any of these cameras, please let me benefit from your opinion.
I have been using my Canon T3 for several years an... (show quote)


Similar shooting conditions, no video, very seldom use a tripod and not much flash, I shoot with T1i and T4i, haven't yet found a need to upgrade, I'd vote T7i, if you lean towards the SL2 I'd make sure it fits your hands, a bit small for mine, enjoy, Bob.

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Jun 10, 2018 07:58:00   #
Rogers
 
I admit I paid more for the 77D than the T7i out of vanity, repeating to myself and believing Canon’s claim it’s “prosumer”! LOL

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Jun 10, 2018 08:57:31   #
Bison Bud
 
If size is a big factor for you, then I'd probably go with the 77D or a T6i. These are the same size as the rest of the Rebel series, but to my knowledge neither is weather sealed and both have have a penta-mirror, rather than a prizm viewfinder. The SL2 is even a bit smaller if that really is a big deal, but I'd still choose the 77D or the T6i, but that's a personal decision your going to have to make. If I was going to buy a crop sensor Canon, the 80D would be my first choice and the T6i would probably would be my second choice. The 80D is said to be weather resistant and it's not all that much bigger than the rebel series bodies. It is seriously smaller than a 7D or any of the professional full frame cameras with the possible exception of the 6D. In any case, I would really recommend handling any of these models before actually purchasing one. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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Jun 10, 2018 09:46:19   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
You cannot go wrong with the Canon T7i. Buy it used or refurbished if cost presents a restraint.

I own and use this camera with very good results.

I have the Canon 17-85mm lens mounted on it as my walking-around kit which includes the Canon 480EX II flash unit.

You will find the T7i a major step up from the T3, both in image quality and performance.

Good luck.
graybeard wrote:
I have been using my Canon T3 for several years and have no complaints, but I am toying with the idea of getting a new crop sensor Canon as my primary, and relegating my T3 as a backup. Back in film days I preferred the 2 camera approach, one with a wide-angle and the other with a telephoto, and carrying a fast lens for low light. Anyway, I have narrowed my choices to 3 models. All have the same sensor size and the same digital processor, as well as an articulated screen. The rest is bells and whistles. The SL2 is the smallest and lightest and cheapest, all of which rate for me. The T7i and the 77D are the other two. I can get a SL2 somewhere in the $375-450 range, and the others at 100-200 more, up to about 700. I do not do video, and I take one shot at a time (usually). No flash, no, or little tripod, no or little post processing. Always use only available light, I guess I am kind of a dinosaur. But hey, if you have HAD EXPERIENCE with any of these cameras, please let me benefit from your opinion.
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Jun 10, 2018 09:53:33   #
EdU239 Loc: The Northeast
 
I went from a T1i to an 80D when the later came out in 2016. My wife asked me to help her select her first DSLR this past winter and I rented the cameras you are considering. One advantage of the T7i and the 77D is their larger number of focal points—I believe it’s 45 compared to 11 on the SL2, which I think is what you have with the T3. I wasn’t paying too much attention to the controls but IIRC, there are a few more manual controls on the 7i and 77D, and the latter has the top panel. The SL2 is the lightest and smallest, but they all weigh around a pound.

So... given your shooting style, I think they would all work fine for you. As people always say, if at all possible you should handle them and see which feels better to you. In my case, I was charmed by the SL2 and keep thinking it would be a good travel camera. I also liked the 77D since I have gotten used to the top information panel and there’s the allure of the “better camera”. I thought the 7i was fine but for me it did not have any charm (can’t think of another term for irrational appeal). My wife chose the 7i without much trouble because she preferred the way it handled and fit her hands.

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