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Mar 3, 2018 15:11:54   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Apparently you joined today to get something off your chest. You did a fine job and I enjoyed watching.

Are you feeling better now?

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Mar 3, 2018 15:58:59   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
abstractist72 wrote:
Sorry Dennis, changing the ISO or ASA to mimic film speed was not the issue. Kodak ASA 200 and Fuji ASA 200 give you completely different types of results, also VPS gives different results.

The film, FUJI, they had a procedure that gave deeper dark colors, then Kodak.
Kodak had slower film, and Kodachrome was 100% different in results than Ektachrome or Agfachrome.

But I guess if all you ever knew was ASA 25 or 64 or 400, and did not care what the film was then you could not guarantee what your results would look like.

Here is a hint, most of National Geographics photos were shot with CHROME film or slide film, because of the depth of color available in printing.
Sorry Dennis, changing the ISO or ASA to mimic fil... (show quote)


Most NatGeo images made today are made with raw file capture mode on dSLRs and mirrorless cameras. There is plenty of color depth there... more than can be reproduced.

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Mar 3, 2018 16:42:46   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
DSLRs have been widely available since 2001. You seem to be coming to the game a bit late with ideas about how they should be designed ... Maybe some training and practice is needed to see the wonders and opportunities they provide.



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Mar 3, 2018 16:44:21   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
Sign of the times. Sad that hot shots at Kodak developed the digital camera and ruined the film industry driving their company into bankruptcy.


No, they decided that digital photography would cut into their profitable film business. And became another in a long list of vanished companies.

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Mar 3, 2018 17:08:18   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 

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Mar 3, 2018 17:11:45   #
pendennis
 
I, for one, am glad that I can shoot both. I do miss the warmth of Kodachrome, but I can mimic it either within my D500 and D750, or edit away in Affinity, Adobe, or other software. I have a scanner which lets me convert those film images to digital, and I can actually print them to what I originally thought the image should appear. I get a kick out of Portra, Ektar, and Fujichrome. I'm even considering setting up to develop B&W. I've never had so many options for plying my love. I'd never want my film cameras adapted to digital, because they're two completely different media. Vive la difference!

As to cars? I'm glad I'm not leaning under the hood, having to set timing, plug and point gap; trying to tweak air/gas mixture in the carburetor. Let the onboard computer do all that for me, and I can concentrate on my driving.

Horses for courses.

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Mar 3, 2018 17:14:37   #
BebuLamar
 
abstractist72 wrote:
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the same way I do.

I started taking photographs 57 years ago with a Zeiss Ikon rangefinder 35 mm film camera.

I developed my own film and printed black and white photos for around 15 years, having moved to a few better cameras in the process.

1st upgrade was a Honeywell Pentax SLR with 35 mm, 55 mm and 135 mm lenses.

Later to a Nikon FM2 with 28 mm, 55 mm, 135 mm, and 200 mm.

Using every conceivable type of film possible.

I did portraiture, weddings, anniversary parties, Nature, you name it I just about photographed it.

This was all a hobby for me, I was only a professionally employed photographer for about 2 months, long story (won't go into that).

My GRIPE is what the camera companies did and did not do, and there missed opportunities when they developed DSLR cameras.

Now I would like to say, my camera bag had many varieties of film always ready for any occasion.

And when I would compose and shoot the image, I stopped using a light meter many years ago, as I was as accurate as my Lunapro would say for a certain scene.

Retired, I was given a DSLR 35 mm size Nikon for a Christmas present, with 2 lenses. It was a bundle.

So here are some GRIPES:

1: After so many years of shooting film, I knew which film to grab for what occasion, and what ASA would work the best for that situation. DSLR camera makers should have given the owners of these cameras, a set of film types, to choose from, and the camera would mimic the results of those types of film. So If I wanted to use a Fuj1 400, I could choose that in a menu, and the camera would act as if I had Fuji 400 in the camera.

2: I have a lot of very good camera equipment, that is now like the old toys in Toy Story, that FM2 is a wonderful camera, and Nikon should have made it possible for owners of their cameras, to send them in to be retrofitted with DSLR innards.

3: Feeling stupid, because the instruction are printed for someone that can read and follow instructions. I cannot, I am a visual learner, I learn by watching, and by doing. My camera has charts and graphs and histograms??????
I would just like to not feel so stupid, and be able to create those great pictures that I did with my film cameras.

4: Using this Nikon DSLR it almost like a chore, the ASA is off the wall, and I try to think what can this camera do for me, I know there are great possibilities, but 1/2 the time, I cannot find the right setting is in in Wrenches, or the Camera body?

5: I believe if a camera company, made the adjustments, that I have stated, being able to mimic film, by choosing the type of film in a menu, VPS, Tri-X, Kodacolor, Fuji 200, etc. I think that would go a long way to help older film camera users be able to accomplish getting the most out of their cameras.
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the sa... (show quote)


All of your gripes are totally unfounded.

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Mar 3, 2018 23:05:16   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
abstractist72 wrote:
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the same way I do.

I started taking photographs 57 years ago with a Zeiss Ikon rangefinder 35 mm film camera.

I developed my own film and printed black and white photos for around 15 years, having moved to a few better cameras in the process.

1st upgrade was a Honeywell Pentax SLR with 35 mm, 55 mm and 135 mm lenses.

Later to a Nikon FM2 with 28 mm, 55 mm, 135 mm, and 200 mm.

Using every conceivable type of film possible.

I did portraiture, weddings, anniversary parties, Nature, you name it I just about photographed it.

This was all a hobby for me, I was only a professionally employed photographer for about 2 months, long story (won't go into that).

My GRIPE is what the camera companies did and did not do, and there missed opportunities when they developed DSLR cameras.

Now I would like to say, my camera bag had many varieties of film always ready for any occasion.

And when I would compose and shoot the image, I stopped using a light meter many years ago, as I was as accurate as my Lunapro would say for a certain scene.

Retired, I was given a DSLR 35 mm size Nikon for a Christmas present, with 2 lenses. It was a bundle.

So here are some GRIPES:

1: After so many years of shooting film, I knew which film to grab for what occasion, and what ASA would work the best for that situation. DSLR camera makers should have given the owners of these cameras, a set of film types, to choose from, and the camera would mimic the results of those types of film. So If I wanted to use a Fuj1 400, I could choose that in a menu, and the camera would act as if I had Fuji 400 in the camera.

2: I have a lot of very good camera equipment, that is now like the old toys in Toy Story, that FM2 is a wonderful camera, and Nikon should have made it possible for owners of their cameras, to send them in to be retrofitted with DSLR innards.

3: Feeling stupid, because the instruction are printed for someone that can read and follow instructions. I cannot, I am a visual learner, I learn by watching, and by doing. My camera has charts and graphs and histograms??????
I would just like to not feel so stupid, and be able to create those great pictures that I did with my film cameras.

4: Using this Nikon DSLR it almost like a chore, the ASA is off the wall, and I try to think what can this camera do for me, I know there are great possibilities, but 1/2 the time, I cannot find the right setting is in in Wrenches, or the Camera body?

5: I believe if a camera company, made the adjustments, that I have stated, being able to mimic film, by choosing the type of film in a menu, VPS, Tri-X, Kodacolor, Fuji 200, etc. I think that would go a long way to help older film camera users be able to accomplish getting the most out of their cameras.
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the sa... (show quote)


How long did it take for you to learn everything you learned about shooting film at the level of an enthusiast or expert? It took me years to hone my skills, trying different films, trying different darkroom techniques and using different products like developers and papers to get what I wanted. Slow down, take a deep breath, and go at it a little at a time. That's all that's needed.

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Mar 3, 2018 23:10:16   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
That’s not what the glass plate guys said...., or the tin guys before them...., YOU NEWBIE!!!
SS
What the hell was that all about, seriously SS, is there something wrong with you?

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Mar 3, 2018 23:51:36   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
abstractist72 wrote:
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the same way I do.

I started taking photographs 57 years ago with a Zeiss Ikon rangefinder 35 mm film camera.

I developed my own film and printed black and white photos for around 15 years, having moved to a few better cameras in the process.

1st upgrade was a Honeywell Pentax SLR with 35 mm, 55 mm and 135 mm lenses.

Later to a Nikon FM2 with 28 mm, 55 mm, 135 mm, and 200 mm.

Using every conceivable type of film possible.

I did portraiture, weddings, anniversary parties, Nature, you name it I just about photographed it.

This was all a hobby for me, I was only a professionally employed photographer for about 2 months, long story (won't go into that).

My GRIPE is what the camera companies did and did not do, and there missed opportunities when they developed DSLR cameras.

Now I would like to say, my camera bag had many varieties of film always ready for any occasion.

And when I would compose and shoot the image, I stopped using a light meter many years ago, as I was as accurate as my Lunapro would say for a certain scene.

Retired, I was given a DSLR 35 mm size Nikon for a Christmas present, with 2 lenses. It was a bundle.

So here are some GRIPES:

1: After so many years of shooting film, I knew which film to grab for what occasion, and what ASA would work the best for that situation. DSLR camera makers should have given the owners of these cameras, a set of film types, to choose from, and the camera would mimic the results of those types of film. So If I wanted to use a Fuj1 400, I could choose that in a menu, and the camera would act as if I had Fuji 400 in the camera.

2: I have a lot of very good camera equipment, that is now like the old toys in Toy Story, that FM2 is a wonderful camera, and Nikon should have made it possible for owners of their cameras, to send them in to be retrofitted with DSLR innards.

3: Feeling stupid, because the instruction are printed for someone that can read and follow instructions. I cannot, I am a visual learner, I learn by watching, and by doing. My camera has charts and graphs and histograms??????
I would just like to not feel so stupid, and be able to create those great pictures that I did with my film cameras.

4: Using this Nikon DSLR it almost like a chore, the ASA is off the wall, and I try to think what can this camera do for me, I know there are great possibilities, but 1/2 the time, I cannot find the right setting is in in Wrenches, or the Camera body?

5: I believe if a camera company, made the adjustments, that I have stated, being able to mimic film, by choosing the type of film in a menu, VPS, Tri-X, Kodacolor, Fuji 200, etc. I think that would go a long way to help older film camera users be able to accomplish getting the most out of their cameras.
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the sa... (show quote)

I won't say that these factors bother me; but I can understand your frustration. I do agree with #2.

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Mar 4, 2018 00:34:51   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Ched49 wrote:
What the hell was that all about, seriously SS, is there something wrong with you?

Sh*t! Can you say h3ll on the forum?

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Mar 4, 2018 01:02:03   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Aren't we supposed to be helping each other on this forum? Smart ass comments are not helpful to anyone, nor is it helpful to just dismiss someone's genuine concerns over mastering newer technology.

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Mar 4, 2018 01:12:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
therwol wrote:
How long did it take for you to learn everything you learned about shooting film at the level of an enthusiast or expert? It took me years to hone my skills, trying different films, trying different darkroom techniques and using different products like developers and papers to get what I wanted. Slow down, take a deep breath, and go at it a little at a time. That's all that's needed.


Good news is, digital parallels film in nearly all respects. The concepts transfer quite readily.

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Mar 4, 2018 01:14:30   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
OddJobber wrote:
Sh*t! Can you say h3ll on the forum?


Apparently so... You can say anything if you punctuate the words. Not that it’s necessary or anything.

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Mar 4, 2018 05:59:44   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
I would have thought youd been around long enough to have learnt to move with the times.

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