James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA

Can't argue with that.

paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah

A coin has two sides to it.

cytafex Loc: Clarksburg MA

Ban texting or using phones while driving, don't deny me relief because of what others might do. Pain and suffering is just that, but ymv...what about others getting rich, they don't concern me, I'll do what I have to! Typical, wanting to deny someone something because of what the weak links do, screw them!

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

A big side effect of the prohibition on it is it hasn't been studied enough. In that way alone we are all the more worse off.

paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah

Again, again, again, again, again, I do not want to see anyone else in pain. That is insensitive and stupid just like your comment on banning cell phone (texting). That is why we have the medical marijuana issue but to legalize recreational marijuana IS right up there with total use of cell phones with out any restrictions.
And as far as waiting for a controlled study that study should have been done years ago. Instead of spending billions to Iran we should have been putting the money into research to help our own people. People like you. This debate has been going on for years and the government throws money after projects like dogs watching TV instead of trying to help people.
There are other possible solutions but they keep sweeping those under the rug and that leads to these other problems.

James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA

It also has an edge to it bridging the sides... Just Sayin'

paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah

While what you say is true and I agree hardheartedly. Unfortunately with drugs it works the other way. When it comes to drugs the research is done to make sure that the benefits outweigh the risk. Almost every thing we have has negative effects as well as positive ones. They known the action of the drugs but the research is done to make sure it is safe, not that it works. They already know that then they seek approval. They used to have patents on drugs that we so many years and they decided that it was taking too long to get a new drug to market. So they shortened the time but now we have people dying because there has not been enough research done. BTW did you know there has not been a new antibiotic released since 1985.

James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA

Correct, Ban a dangerous activity, Blaming THINGS is the easy way out of dealing with human behavior. Cars, Firearms,Beer and Cigarettes (a good name for a rock album,BTW,) are all legal things that I have been using since the 1970s and I've never been in trouble using them. I don't Drink while driving or handling guns. (or any other dangerous oject -like my stove.)

Someone else doing bad things with these should not infringe on my rights.

Fun Fact: Nearly 100% of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY is created by someone using a........CAMERA!

Think about it.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

I agree. Drug research is a very deep and complex field. Self experimenters can't be objective by definition, but that doesn't stop people from drawing their own conclusions.

paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah

There are many ramifications that are involved with this drug and there are sinister people that will use this as an advantage to take away even your most basics of rights. Do not be deceived and think all is well because there are people that want to control you. Now some will say that I do not own a gun so I am not concerned but in spite of your overlooking everything it does involve you. Maybe not today but your children. Regardless of your views one marijuana and gun control there is a need for you to be concerned. The following is a comment taken from another site:

In December of 2017, police in Hawaii sent a notification to everyone on the island, ordering all legal gun owners who carried legal medical marijuana cards to turn in their guns immediately.

Regardless of what your stance is on medical marijuana, it’s glaringly obvious that the bigger problem here is how easily law enforcement can find gun owners and take away their only weapons of defense. And it’s all because these unsuspecting Hawaiians filled out Form 4473.

And they also want your doctors to fill out forms of people on certain medications for the same purpose. Even though the drug you take may not even be for the purpose that they describe (most drugs can be used for more than one purpose) they will use it as an excuse to control you. It is not about gun control. It is about controlling you.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

Funny I am a resident in Maui I own property there and all 17 of my closest friends there who have a medical card (I do as well) never received the notice you spoke of, oh and I own 5 guns which are registered also no notice there either. You asked about Marinol a few posts back I was given it in its strongest strength and had absolutely no relief from pain, any of the synthetic drugs seem to either have bad side effects or do not work near as well as the original produce ie; hydrocodone, oxycodone, morphine, demerol, dilaudid(that generic one almost killed me a few years ago) and more create allergic reactions make you sick to your stomach cause higher blood pressure etc. marijuana is a natural pain reliever with no additives if controlled(which it is from the places I get it through. It is less harmful than cigarettes though there is still bad ingested if smoking, my wife uses it under a doctor recommendation for her diabetes this is recent and just last week her medications were reduced as the severity has diminished, I went through an alcohol treatment in 1986 and have remained off alcohol for all these years knock on wood and I was a very bad alcoholic drank a case of beer and most of a bog bottle of brandy per day marijuana I believe is on of the reasons I am still off it as the urges are reduced with use I never drive while on my marijuana medication as the effects are far more intense than smoking, I drove all the time while drunk I am extremely lucky that I am alive and never killed or hurt someone while driving drunk I am ashamed as well as I fully believe driving drunk is as bad as holding a gun on someone. Marijuana also helps cancer especially in young folk I know this as I stated before that I have friends who are treating their child and are seeing the results. How about what it does for folks with ms, cramping constantly and so much more the main ones that are railing against legalization is big pharma, the private prison system(these were the top 2 in the fight to legalize in Arizona and the issue barely failed next time hopefully more will listen to reason than hate ads) no one has been documented ever from dying of an overdose of pot, can you say the same about any other drug?. You need to look at this with a fully open mind, yes some will abuse anything and drive and end up hurting or killing others,
so it is with every drug. There is no need for you to look at the issue with the 1930's paranoia,
the studies have been going on a long time and are getting more information daily now that it's legal in many states, it is also helping the economy of these states. I hope that no one you care for comes down with a malady that might be treated with marijuana over the plethora of legal drugs that might harm them in the long run or worse get them addicted as so many others have.

pendennis

Enforcement of ATF regulations, including lying on the 4473, falls to the local ATF agents and the U.S. Attorney, not the local police. Unless there's some sort of "task force" arrangement, the local Hawaii police have no jurisdiction to enforce U.S. laws. Also the 4473 forms can't be looked at by local police, unless the dealer and the ATF agree.

Doctors are bound by the Federal HIPAA laws. They can't provide any medical information to anyone without your permission. If any "police" agency demands those confidential medical records, it usually requires a hearing before a Federal judge, and you would have the right to legal counsel. I'm sure the MD would also have counsel representing him. The courts are very "pro patient" in these instances, and most demands/requests are not allowed.

paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah

Thank you for the response. I am open to and new information but looking it from a point of view that is different from you. The comment that I posted is a exert from and email that I received and since I not a citizen of Hawai do not know for sure but I am enclosing the reference to the whole article for you to look at: https://concernedpatriot.com/4473-atf/?utm_source=blog&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email010818
There many ramifications that need to be considered and you seem prudent in your approach but others are no so prudent. I am a retired pharmacist and while attending my first Nevada State Board Pharmacy meeting I was informed as to the purpose the State Board. I had assumed that it was for the protection of the pharmacist and to help them but they informed me it was for the protection of the consumer to make sure they were not hurt or maligned in anyway. That makes total sense to me. If you think that I am against marijuana I am not totally but I am not for it totally either. I just do not want anyone hurt, you, your neighbor, the innocent child,. Some are not so concerned or careful. I fought my whole life to help people and in many cases it was to protect people from themselves. But you are talking medical marijuana and I am addressing more or less the use of recreational marijuana and they are a totally different animal. At least from the point of view that I look at it from.
As far as the government being totally up front with us they have not always been so. During Katrina reports of gun confiscation were reported. Now I have not experienced that but am stating what I read. And I am sure you have not either. There are problems and many are just swept under the rug.
Maybe they have it all wrong and it is not even the THC that is the pain reliever but is some other drug and that might be the reason the Marinol does not work. that needs to be looked at closer. Your comments suggests it is another factor that is for the relief of the pain.
Thank you for your feedback.

paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah

And then we have Bundys, my neighbors, to look at. Both in Nevada and Oregon. After years of fighting, courts, imprisonment, and a death, That may be finally put to and end. But that will not bring back the life of my neighbor Mr. Finnican. And then we have the young girl that was killed in San Francisco. The laws are on the books but are they, when they are allowed to ignore them.