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Jan 6, 2018 20:48:10   #
DAVE FISHING Loc: Phoenix,Arizona
 
melismus wrote:
We tried the alcohol ban back in the 1920s. Does anyone remember how well it went?



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Jan 7, 2018 00:51:49   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
so are most large cities these folks are not there due to marijuana but because of addiction to opioids,
meth, painkillers, alcohol, and mental illness.
Blaster34 wrote:
Downtown Denver, poster city of homeless, addicts, druggies, dregs.... for reasons not to legalize pot

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Jan 7, 2018 01:10:14   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
It is crazy here we worked all these years for legalization and now many are bitching about it. It has been given such a bad rap over the years that people are fearful of it. I never drive while on it and believe that it should be regulated the same as driving while intoxicated though if you look deeper into the reports of accidents most of them also have elevated levels of alcohol, and hard drugs which most likely are the main cause.
I think it is a fantastic medicine(I used to use it strictly for the purpose of getting a buzz many years ago)
I now use edibles for pain relief though it does not work for every pain it works wonders for most,
it helps ptsd I am able to handle crowds much better,the VA has been giving me some of the most addicting and dangerous drugs for many years and still wants me on them but I refuse the scrips as I can manage much of this with pot and my body thanks me for it. I was given phenetole patchs 6 years ago they just about killed me they were so strong, then oxy, luckily I am allergic to it, then morphine in a large dose until 8 months ago.
That dos not include the drugs I have been given for mood and nightmares valium is one of those and I took it with whatever the doctors at the VA were using at the time, I still do have a mild mood and nightmare drug but the dose has been reduced considerably. Oh and sex is great on marijuana.
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm amazed at the negative comments about the legalization of marijuana in California. Abuse of alcohol causes violence and traffic deaths, yet it has no benefits. People who drive while high can also cause traffic deaths, but pot has proven medical benefits. Consider the millions of dollars wasted by law enforcement pursuing pot users. Among of the supporters of pot laws is the for-profit prison industry and the politicians who support it. It's to the benefit of both of them to get as many people as possible into prison, so decliminalizing pot is going to hurt them financially.
I'm amazed at the negative comments about the lega... (show quote)

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Jan 7, 2018 01:21:57   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
terry44 wrote:
It is crazy here we worked all these years for legalization and now many are bitching about it. It has been given such a bad rap over the years that people are fearful of it. I never drive while on it and believe that it should be regulated the same as driving while intoxicated though if you look deeper into the reports of accidents most of them also have elevated levels of alcohol, and hard drugs which most likely are the main cause.
I think it is a fantastic medicine(I used to use it strictly for the purpose of getting a buzz many years ago)
I now use edibles for pain relief though it does not work for every pain it works wonders for most,
it helps ptsd I am able to handle crowds much better,the VA has been giving me some of the most addicting and dangerous drugs for many years and still wants me on them but I refuse the scrips as I can manage much of this with pot and my body thanks me for it. I was given phenetole patchs 6 years ago they just about killed me they were so strong, then oxy, luckily I am allergic to it, then morphine in a large dose until 8 months ago.
That dos not include the drugs I have been given for mood and nightmares valium is one of those and I took it with whatever the doctors at the VA were using at the time, I still do have a mild mood and nightmare drug but the dose has been reduced considerably. Oh and sex is great on marijuana.
It is crazy here we worked all these years for leg... (show quote)

And the person who is addicted to Opiates would say the same thing and defend it to their death and many have.

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Jan 7, 2018 02:45:53   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
well I have known a few and none of them denied they were addicted and in trouble they just did nothing to help themselves out of that rabbit hole, if you do not like pot well thats ok do not use it or associate with those who do but denying patients a medicine that is so much less harmfull and helps folks with so many medical problems (marijuana can be used to treat so many things that to deny folks this option would be a shame so many more would be taking not only opiates but other drugs such as barbiturates, valium adderall(don't know if that's spelled right) ask as many medical professionals as you can which is better for you and works before becoming hardened to the idea that its a bad choice I have and the almost entire consensus is that marijuana has healing properties and a use in the medical field. I do not agree with young people using it as they need to be informed and aware of all effects, but if a doctor prescribes it to children with the parents administering it as they would cough medicine and other drugs prescribed to children that is a good thing I know 3 people whose children have it prescribed and they swear by it, the mainstream medicine that was prescribed in those cases were reduced by over half the dose and its working.
paulrph1 wrote:
And the person who is addicted to Opiates would say the same thing and defend it to their death and many have.

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Jan 7, 2018 09:03:28   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
terry44 wrote:
well I have known a few and none of them denied they were addicted and in trouble they just did nothing to help themselves out of that rabbit hole, if you do not like pot well thats ok do not use it or associate with those who do but denying patients a medicine that is so much less harmfull and helps folks with so many medical problems (marijuana can be used to treat so many things that to deny folks this option would be a shame so many more would be taking not only opiates but other drugs such as barbiturates, valium adderall(don't know if that's spelled right) ask as many medical professionals as you can which is better for you and works before becoming hardened to the idea that its a bad choice I have and the almost entire consensus is that marijuana has healing properties and a use in the medical field. I do not agree with young people using it as they need to be informed and aware of all effects, but if a doctor prescribes it to children with the parents administering it as they would cough medicine and other drugs prescribed to children that is a good thing I know 3 people whose children have it prescribed and they swear by it, the mainstream medicine that was prescribed in those cases were reduced by over half the dose and its working.
well I have known a few and none of them denied th... (show quote)

The point is that the plant has both good and bad sides to it's actions. And they can be separated. But many want to make it legal so they make the dollar. And they claim to want help people with their health. Well put control on the bad parts, yes use the good parts but separate them. Many plants have both good and bad parts to them but they can be separated in the cooking process. Here are some plants that are eaten daily the have both good and bad parts to them: Potatoes, Rhubarb, Tomatoes, Some beans are poisonous while others are not, some nuts, plus others. Why expose people to the bad parts when they can be controlled? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$? Talk about greedy drug companies, well I see greedy marijuana dealers.

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Jan 7, 2018 11:48:44   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
clint f. wrote:
Charles, yes the field sobriety tests indicate that a person may be affected by alcohol or drugs. The field tests are just a part of the determination regarding intoxication/affected by observations. It’s like a tripod. The three legs of the DUI tripod are field test, blood/breath and driving. Any of the legs missing the tripod falls over. So in your case the failure would be lack of blood/breath evidence and, hopefully, the driving. Law enforcement would not expect you to have the same balance as a 20 year old gymnast. I would recommend if asked to do the road side sobriety tests to not say “officer I can’t even do these when I’m sober.”
Charles, yes the field sobriety tests indicate tha... (show quote)


Thanks Clint.
I did indeed ask an officer when my wife & I were at a local Chic-filet and he told me not to worry much about it.
He said that at my, & my wife's age, he didn't foresee any problems that I would have.

Charles

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Jan 7, 2018 14:32:52   #
cytafex Loc: Clarksburg MA
 
As to marijuana and how it helps the symptoms in my response to chemo treatments, the most beneficial for me is smoking the buds in a water pipe. My experience was less with the edibles, but should explore as can't smoke in many places. Natural state seems to release more comprehensive solutions, as it not only a physical matter, emotions are key as other things are addressed as well.

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Jan 7, 2018 15:23:10   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
Marinol (synthetic THC)? Anyone care to comment?

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Jan 7, 2018 16:37:34   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
paulrph1 wrote:
Marinol (synthetic THC)? Anyone care to comment?


Never heard of it. Is this something out of the '70's?

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Jan 7, 2018 17:18:04   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
I've heard that most people who have used it say it isn't as effective at (insert your effect here) as the natural compound.
paulrph1 wrote:
Marinol (synthetic THC)? Anyone care to comment?

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Jan 8, 2018 04:14:23   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I've heard that most people who have used it say it isn't as effective at (insert your effect here) as the natural compound.


Marinol is a synthetic THC available on prescription. As a Pharmacist I never fill one Rx for the drug. The description says it is good for different types of pain. I am a believer in controlled studies and in this one there should but that might be impossible since one is capsule and one is inhaled.

I heard??????????????????? Not a scientific statement. Pain is subjective and varies. Placebos have been used effectively for pain.

The reason for the drug is because it was supposed to relieve the pain without the buzz. So that in itself brings up other questions. Are the people that use it are claiming that it does not work because they are for recreation use and want the buzz and are not getting it? Is all this hype about legalizing the drug not using this so they can legally get the buzz? Is is more about the buzz than the usage for pain and using the effect on pain as an excuse. We have two types of users ones that want the buzz and others that are in need of this for their pain. So what I am really saying is are we allowing people to get high at the expense of other people, their rights and their lives. Marinol is on Rx because of side effects so what does that tell us about THC?
There are many unanswered questions to the legalized use of this plant.
THERE are others who do not care about the people one way or the other but are only interested in making the $$$$$ so are we allowing some to get rich at the expense of other peoples lives.

"as it not only a physical matter, emotions are key as other things are addressed as well". Interesting comment.

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Jan 8, 2018 08:47:52   #
DAVE FISHING Loc: Phoenix,Arizona
 
Many years ago I had shoulder surgery. I had a lot of pain afterwards. They tried a few different prescription drugs, none of which help the pain. All it did was constipate me. I did not sleep well for weeks. I was almost ready to end it. I got some Tequila and was able to sleep. Have friends that use the marijuana cookies for sleep. they say the best sleep they have had in years. Was thinking about the marijuana card, for the back pain I have now. If you have a card they can stop you from buying a gun. I guess their is Tequila and friends when it gets worst.

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Jan 8, 2018 11:01:46   #
cytafex Loc: Clarksburg MA
 
paulrph1 wrote:
Marinol is a synthetic THC available on prescription. As a Pharmacist I never fill one Rx for the drug. The description says it is good for different types of pain. I am a believer in controlled studies and in this one there should but that might be impossible since one is capsule and one is inhaled.

I heard??????????????????? Not a scientific statement. Pain is subjective and varies. Placebos have been used effectively for pain.

The reason for the drug is because it was supposed to relieve the pain without the buzz. So that in itself brings up other questions. Are the people that use it are claiming that it does not work because they are for recreation use and want the buzz and are not getting it? Is all this hype about legalizing the drug not using this so they can legally get the buzz? Is is more about the buzz than the usage for pain and using the effect on pain as an excuse. We have two types of users ones that want the buzz and others that are in need of this for their pain. So what I am really saying is are we allowing people to get high at the expense of other people, their rights and their lives. Marinol is on Rx because of side effects so what does that tell us about THC?
There are many unanswered questions to the legalized use of this plant.
THERE are others who do not care about the people one way or the other but are only interested in making the $$$$$ so are we allowing some to get rich at the expense of other peoples lives.

"as it not only a physical matter, emotions are key as other things are addressed as well". Interesting comment.
Marinol is a synthetic THC available on prescripti... (show quote)


Easy for you to say, wait till controlled studies, or do you know how it "feels" to have chemo treatment? I'm not going to wait for permission for something that benefits me. To others who would try and stop me, it's no ones business but my own. Being a member of the club sucks!

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Jan 8, 2018 12:08:01   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
cytafex wrote:
Easy for you to say, wait till controlled studies, or do you know how it "feels" to have chemo treatment? I'm not going to wait for permission for something that benefits me. To others who would try and stop me, it's no ones business but my own. Being a member of the club sucks!


Why do you guys always misinterpret what a guy says. I do not want anyone in pain but I also do not want people killed in an automobile accident from a person who is high. Now you are going to tell me they do not get high and I will believe that like people are not kill by texting on their cell phones and not only are they killed but they kill others. Personally I am in pain all of the time with a bad back but my pain might not be as bad as yours but it may be worse. Pain is subjective. And some can tolerate pain more than others. There are others and other people lives that need to be considered. BTW what about those people that want to get rich off of your pain. If they cared they would grow the marijuana and give it to you for free or only productions costs. Being innocent and killed sucks also.

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