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Aug 21, 2017 08:17:32   #
Hbuk66 Loc: Oswego, NY
 
I am terrible with the rule of thirds gridlines, so a lot of my photos get leveled... and occasionally(less than 5%) need to be lightened or darkened... and I use my in camera HDR painting... and I have a NIKON S9900 that gets dramatically reddened shots sooc; I don't remember how...

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Aug 21, 2017 08:17:36   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
larryepage wrote:
Photography, like many other disciplines, is very much a multifaceted endeavor. There are numerous ways to make an image. I do not believe that the path chosen in any way makes any image more or less of a photograph. But for me, using the camera, lens, and other equipment to capture the best possible image when I press the release button is a big part of the fun of photography. Many others prefer to accomplish the same result in the darkroom, which is perfectly fine also.

To your question...in my mind, choosing a particular ISO setting is like choosing what film stock to use. Setting white balance (to an extent) is like choosing what specific color film to use. It can also be the same as choosing a filter. My Nikons also give me the specific choice of a yellow, orange, red, or green filter when shooting black and white. Many of the other shooting menu choices can also be mapped to pre-exposure choices that were made in film photography. Others expand on the options available using film. So in my mind, a photographer can use these options and still call the result SOOC.

Now I also have another whole menu with redeye correction, trim (crop), HDR, and other similar choices which correspond to activities usually done in a darkroom to correct shortcomings or otherwise just improve images after exposure. I am still on the fence if images which have been subjected to those actions should be labeled as SOOC. On one hand, they are modifications done in the camera and before downloading. On the other hand, it is hard to deny that they are post-processing...processing done after the exposure. If I do any of those, I will always identify the image as, for instance, no processing other than cropping.

As an aside...one interesting conundrum that I have been seeing on UHH is that photographers who would never use the program mode, because it cedes too much control to the camera, will shoot all day using automatic white balance. Using AWB is not a crime, by any means. But my experience with it is that it creates photographs with a bland, uniform color palette. Because my aging vision means that I do not have quite the color vision facility that I used to have, it is not fun for me to try to go back and fix everything later. I prefer to get it as close as possible when I capture the image and know how it is supposed to be.

These are my thoughts. They carry no intent to influence how anyone else thinks or works. But they work for me.
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Interesting thoughts however the photo you have taken is still SOOC until you subject it to post-processing after downloading to computer.

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Aug 21, 2017 08:19:46   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
asiafish wrote:
JPEG?

My primary camera shoots RAW only, no HDR, no scene modes, nothing at all.


Wow! I didn't know there are cameras that shoot RAW only.

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Aug 21, 2017 08:32:07   #
BebuLamar
 
Peterff wrote:
Good points, but how often do we forget the pre-capture processing that some of us used to do, choice of film and / or filters? Then there were variations in film developing techniques. Perhaps the nearest equivalent to today's SOOC was at worst straight out of the 'Instamatic' and the drug store, and at best straight out of the enlarger.

White balance follows the same rules excepted that with digital it is an easier thing to adjust and fix if we didn't plan for it before time.


Well if you shoot negative film the results depend on which drug store you use as well as which operator is running the printer at the time (The printer which is an enlarger that is greatly automated but still the operator has compensation controls for exposure and color). I think the closest with film is shooting slides.

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Aug 21, 2017 08:35:36   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Mark Wallace has a video where he discussed getting it right in Camera and he contends that it is impossible to actually get it "Right" in camera.
I guess it is in the eye of the beholder and subjective but you can apply a lot of manipulation in camera prior to the camera writing the image to the card. If you are shooting RAW you may still try to get the best image you can out of the camera but the expectation is that you are going to PP the image to create your final product. That is the way I personally shoot. Shooting sports and other fast moving subjects makes it hard to get it right in camera though. So, I expect to spend a certain amount of time PP the images I select to output to the web or otherwise.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Aug 21, 2017 08:36:11   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
There are those who like to say that they "get it right in the camera" implying that the digital jpeg version has only been correctly exposed, is well-framed, and has the correctly focal points as to present an image that stands on its own without PP. Or simplified: as produced created by the photographer using his/her imagination, a camera, and a lens.

However, all of my cameras can be manipulated to produce: "in camera HDR", focus stacking, panoramas, various scene modes, including monochrome, monochrome with a Y filter, monochrome with a R filter, vivid, and various film simulations. And that's only the short list.....

So are all of these also SOOC? If not, where does one draw the line?

So that's my discussion topic of the day....
There are those who like to say that they "ge... (show quote)


Who really cares?

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Aug 21, 2017 08:49:55   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
CatMarley wrote:
Who really cares?


I suppose you cared enough to look at the topic?

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Aug 21, 2017 08:55:48   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Today's cameras are not the film cameras of yesterday. Technology and advances in firmware are making modern cameras into magnificent tools that allow the photographer in easier ways than ever to express his or her creativity. To make this even better we have plenty of editing softwares to continue to improve the shots to our liking.
The term "straight out of camera" is usually called the file that has not been manipulated with editing software. If any other parameters are added the photographer usually mentions that. RAW or JPEG are considered SOOC
shots but in the case of RAW it has to be converted to a JPEG to show it in the Internet. If no parameters are added then it can be considered as a "pure" SOOC file.
The term, as you know, has become very popular to show files from a camera or a lens in use.

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Aug 21, 2017 09:13:02   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
When I shot film, that is 21/4 Rollie. I would spend hours setting up for a shot, then process the black and white film myself, I would then spend more hours working in my lab to get the best end result and then I would print it with my enlarger. I would select the proper paper, and chemicals to produce the affect that I desired. Out of the camera in those days would simply mean laying the negative on the print paper and getting a contact print. I never did that.
Today, I use a D810. I go through the same steps. I spend a great deal of time planning my shots, then I do the actual shoot. I download onto my computer, choosing only the best shots. Then I go to my lab or post processing whether it is Affinity, Lightroom or Photoshop. Some shots are good as I shot them but most need some sort of adjustment. This is what I require of myself. I don't require it of others. But I do require that the end product, with my name on it, is the very best that modern technology will allow me to produce.

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Aug 21, 2017 09:22:10   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
RickL wrote:
When I shot film, that is 21/4 Rollie. I would spend hours setting up for a shot, then process the black and white film myself, I would then spend more hours working in my lab to get the best end result and then I would print it with my enlarger. I would select the proper paper, and chemicals to produce the affect that I desired. Out of the camera in those days would simply mean laying the negative on the print paper and getting a contact print. I never did that.
Today, I use a D810. I go through the same steps. I spend a great deal of time planning my shots, then I do the actual shoot. I download onto my computer, choosing only the best shots. Then I go to my lab or post processing whether it is Affinity, Lightroom or Photoshop. Some shots are good as I shot them but most need some sort of adjustment. This is what I require of myself. I don't require it of others. But I do require that the end product, with my name on it, is the very best that modern technology will allow me to produce.
When I shot film, that is 21/4 Rollie. I would sp... (show quote)
When I shot Kodachrome, I carefully set up each shot, and then automation took over. Today I follow the same path - just the automation is different and faster.

People spend way too much time talking about this; they should spend that time and energy taking pictures.

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Aug 21, 2017 09:24:57   #
Granitehill4
 
Boys and girls, live and let live! A photograph is like a good scotch, bourbon, wine or cigar. It's all in the eye or taste of the individual isn't it? I see many "overprocessed" pictures posted here but I don't have to like them but I do enjoy looking at other people's taste.
I am old enough to remember when it was rare to have air conditioning in a car now it is rare to see one without!

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Aug 21, 2017 09:26:52   #
CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
 
I never ALWAYS do something where photography is concerned. The photo I have in my mind when the shutter is triggered may or may not include post-processing. That's part of the whole. Why would I ever limit my craft to one aspect.
If I crafted a beautiful woodworking project would I not sand it?
If I cooked a nice roast duck would I not plate it nicely or just stick it on the table as it came out of the oven?

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Aug 21, 2017 09:33:05   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
So, is it safe to say that if a photo is shot in RAW it can not be sooc, but a photo shot in jpg can be? (Unless someone doesn't do any processing to his RAW images.)

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Aug 21, 2017 09:36:24   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
CPR wrote:
I never ALWAYS do something where photography is concerned. The photo I have in my mind when the shutter is triggered may or may not include post-processing. That's part of the whole. Why would I ever limit my craft to one aspect.
If I crafted a beautiful woodworking project would I not sand it?
If I cooked a nice roast duck would I not plate it nicely or just stick it on the table as it came out of the oven?
If I cooked something, the purpose would be providing nutrition. Nice plate wouldn't advance that.

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Aug 21, 2017 09:38:04   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
rehess wrote:
If I cooked something, the purpose would be providing nutrition. Nice plate wouldn't advance that.


You need to post this in the food forum.

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