No cameras in or out of the US ?? (Page 13): No, I knew you were being sarcastic; I was just supporting it.

whitewolfowner

Kissel vonKeister wrote:

Oh, did you think I was serious?

No, I knew you were being sarcastic; I was just supporting it.

whitewolfowner

rehess wrote:

Are you unaware of the rest of that story?? I doub... (show quote)

Either way, if he was doing broadcasting work, his video camera was a hefty size; they didn't have them as compact back then as they do today.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

Thats what I thought but figured I would make sure as sometimes I might come off a bit rough but really I am a nice guy.

d2b2 wrote:

I did not take it negatively; I was simply making a statement of agreement with your point.

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

I would rather think of it as being cautious due to the recent events that have happened and it is sad that it has come to this. I can only hope and pray that things get better at some point. This last week and a half in this hospital has made me think and remember when life seemed so much simpler and we at least had the knowledge of who our enemies were now it could be anyone you pass on the street. Do not wish to leave this world to my Grandkids this way would like for them to be and feel safe, but the reality is that this situation will most likely get worse before or if it gets better.

rehess wrote:

The simple fact is all of this is conjecture based on very little information; we know nothing about the intel which lead to this reaction. We know nothing about the "threat" they think they're pushing off.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

whitewolfowner wrote:

Either way, if he was doing broadcasting work, his video camera was a hefty size; they didn't have them as compact back then as they do today.

Depends on circumstances. I remember an occasion back around then when CNN ruined a camera covering a hurricane, so they ran into a Radio Shack store and went back on the air using some consumer camcorder. Do you know with certainty what equipment was used by stations in the wilds of Asia back then?? Remember they had to haul the entire setup on donkey or some such thing.

d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA

terry44 wrote:

Thats what I thought but figured I would make sure as sometimes I might come off a bit rough but really I am a nice guy.

Okay, I could probably argue your last statement!!!

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

Not looking to argue just said it the way I see it.

d2b2 wrote:

Okay, I could probably argue your last statement!!!

whitewolfowner

rehess wrote:

Depends on circumstances. I remember an occasion back around then when CNN ruined a camera covering a hurricane, so they ran into a Radio Shack store and went back on the air using some consumer camcorder. Do you know with certainty what equipment was used by stations in the wilds of Asia back then?? Remember they had to haul the entire setup on donkey or some such thing.

No idea, but having been in the business, they were using the normal broadcast equipment from the day. Being from a less developed world, it's a good chance they were using older gear, which would ave only made the cameras larger than one would expect. The example you sited, was an extreme situation where emergency action was taken to get the story on film; far from normal protocol. You can go all day trying to come with rare times, but we, being intelligent people, can only assume the situation to be normal unless other evidence is present.

Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire

Actually, I've been doing some more thinking about this subject. When we think about security, our thoughts go to our personal security. Remember the problem that arised when the good doctor was beaten bloody on the United Airline Flight, for not giving up his seat. Many passengers photographed the incident, and others actually videoed the beating. This incident was made public by all the passengers making the information public and posted to social media. If cameras, smart phones, tablets with cameras were banned from the cabin the airlines could beat us, humiliate us, and kick us around like dolls. Same with police, or security guards. This all relates to follow the money, who gains, and who looses. In this case the airlines have millions to loose if a lawsuit is successful against them. So, get those camera phones off my airplane. I'm sure there is a connection between TSA, and the airlines. The airlines have millions to lobby the TSA, and try to get TSA protection from the flying public. If you think the airlines don't get together and discuss how to work against the flying public, think again. Airlines will work against any or all regulation that will benefit themselves and their bottom line. Look at how the airlines got together to charge for checked luggage, now for carry-on requirements. Passengers just accept what they want to do, maybe gripe a little, but they buy the ticket. Airline passengers should ask Congress for more regulation, with emphasis on "on time performance, baggage sizes, and carry on regulations" I remember a year or so ago, when the airlines wanted adjust the size of carry on wheeled bags, the size was adjusted so that not one baggage manufacturer made the approved size. The airlines expected everyone to rush out and buy new bags. This just one example of how the airlines work against their customers. What are we to do? Instead of trying work around the TSA, and airline lobby efforts, every ticket purchase is a personal vote to Congress. Buy your ticket, and report all the late flights to your Congressman, or woman, along with lost baggage, damaged bags, and even rude treatment. Ask for a regulations in favor of the flying public. Lost baggage can ruin a vacation, or business trip. Imagine going on a 14 day cruise, and the airline looses your families bags. What about equipment going into the cargo hold as "checked baggage" there is no guarantee you will ever see it again. Sure, the airline says it has insurance, but how much, or how little?

B

Kissel vonKeister Loc: Georgia

Bill Emmett wrote:

Actually, I've been doing some more thinking about this subject. When we think about security, our thoughts go to our personal security. Remember the problem that arised when the good doctor was beaten bloody on the United Airline Flight, for not giving up his seat. Many passengers photographed the incident, and others actually videoed the beating. This incident was made public by all the passengers making the information public and posted to social media. If cameras, smart phones, tablets with cameras were banned from the cabin the airlines could beat us, humiliate us, and kick us around like dolls. Same with police, or security guards. This all relates to follow the money, who gains, and who looses. In this case the airlines have millions to loose if a lawsuit is successful against them. So, get those camera phones off my airplane. I'm sure there is a connection between TSA, and the airlines. The airlines have millions to lobby the TSA, and try to get TSA protection from the flying public. If you think the airlines don't get together and discuss how to work against the flying public, think again. Airlines will work against any or all regulation that will benefit themselves and their bottom line. Look at how the airlines got together to charge for checked luggage, now for carry-on requirements. Passengers just accept what they want to do, maybe gripe a little, but they buy the ticket. Airline passengers should ask Congress for more regulation, with emphasis on "on time performance, baggage sizes, and carry on regulations" I remember a year or so ago, when the airlines wanted adjust the size of carry on wheeled bags, the size was adjusted so that not one baggage manufacturer made the approved size. The airlines expected everyone to rush out and buy new bags. This just one example of how the airlines work against their customers. What are we to do? Instead of trying work around the TSA, and airline lobby efforts, every ticket purchase is a personal vote to Congress. Buy your ticket, and report all the late flights to your Congressman, or woman, along with lost baggage, damaged bags, and even rude treatment. Ask for a regulations in favor of the flying public. Lost baggage can ruin a vacation, or business trip. Imagine going on a 14 day cruise, and the airline looses your families bags. What about equipment going into the cargo hold as "checked baggage" there is no guarantee you will ever see it again. Sure, the airline says it has insurance, but how much, or how little?

B

Actually, I've been doing some more thinking about... (show quote)

There's an alternative to regulation, and it's called competition. Oh sure, regulate safety issues, but let competition take care of the rest. Oh, and it's lose, not "loose".

d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA

terry44 wrote:

Not looking to argue just said it the way I see it.

I was joking...

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

oh sorry did not catch that it is hectic here in the room whoever said hospitals were for rest while recuperating always some one plodding around

d2b2 wrote:

I was joking...

whitewolfowner

Kissel vonKeister wrote:

There's an alternative to regulation, and it's called competition. Oh sure, regulate safety issues, but let competition take care of the rest. Oh, and it's lose, not "loose".

Competition does not work anymore since all the corporations are in on everything together. Just look at the abuse and huge pricing we get from the cell phone companies.

whitewolfowner

Bill Emmett wrote:

Actually, I've been doing some more thinking about this subject. When we think about security, our thoughts go to our personal security. Remember the problem that arised when the good doctor was beaten bloody on the United Airline Flight, for not giving up his seat. Many passengers photographed the incident, and others actually videoed the beating. This incident was made public by all the passengers making the information public and posted to social media. If cameras, smart phones, tablets with cameras were banned from the cabin the airlines could beat us, humiliate us, and kick us around like dolls. Same with police, or security guards. This all relates to follow the money, who gains, and who looses. In this case the airlines have millions to loose if a lawsuit is successful against them. So, get those camera phones off my airplane. I'm sure there is a connection between TSA, and the airlines. The airlines have millions to lobby the TSA, and try to get TSA protection from the flying public. If you think the airlines don't get together and discuss how to work against the flying public, think again. Airlines will work against any or all regulation that will benefit themselves and their bottom line. Look at how the airlines got together to charge for checked luggage, now for carry-on requirements. Passengers just accept what they want to do, maybe gripe a little, but they buy the ticket. Airline passengers should ask Congress for more regulation, with emphasis on "on time performance, baggage sizes, and carry on regulations" I remember a year or so ago, when the airlines wanted adjust the size of carry on wheeled bags, the size was adjusted so that not one baggage manufacturer made the approved size. The airlines expected everyone to rush out and buy new bags. This just one example of how the airlines work against their customers. What are we to do? Instead of trying work around the TSA, and airline lobby efforts, every ticket purchase is a personal vote to Congress. Buy your ticket, and report all the late flights to your Congressman, or woman, along with lost baggage, damaged bags, and even rude treatment. Ask for a regulations in favor of the flying public. Lost baggage can ruin a vacation, or business trip. Imagine going on a 14 day cruise, and the airline looses your families bags. What about equipment going into the cargo hold as "checked baggage" there is no guarantee you will ever see it again. Sure, the airline says it has insurance, but how much, or how little?

B

Actually, I've been doing some more thinking about... (show quote)

In case you haven't noticed, regulations are being removed, giving companies more and more power all the time. We as humans are second class citizens, barely above the rights of animals when it comes to corporations who have all the power. Have you ever read the TPP (Trans Pacific Pact, which was co-authored by the hag). If not read it and wake up to what's coming. The only answer to the airlines is to refuse to fly until they clean up their act. Business only sees one thing and that is the size of their gravy train; cut it off and they will respond; otherwise, just keep bending over and keep being violated.

Kissel vonKeister Loc: Georgia

whitewolfowner wrote:

Competition does not work anymore since all the corporations are in on everything together. Just look at the abuse and huge pricing we get from the cell phone companies.

Competition doesn't work any more? Take the blinders off, man, and drop out of your Berkeley business courses. Do you have any idea what a large panel TV would cost if there were no competition? Remember what a long distance phone call used to cost? And how expensive would air travel be without Jet Blue, Southwest, and the like? Competition works and always has.