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Jun 13, 2012 01:31:42   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
St3v3M wrote:
Adorama, Amazon, and B&H all sell the Canon EOS Rebel T4i Digital SLR Camera Kit with Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens at $949.


If you were to get that camera you would probably want either the new 40mm pancake lens or the new 18-135 lens so that you could take advantage of the auto focus for video as those are the only two lenses that the new system works with. Those two new lenses have a different focusing system, not as fast for photographs but the only auto focus available for video.

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Jun 13, 2012 01:42:20   #
eskiles Loc: Palmer Alaska
 
Yes the 18-135 would be nice. Here are some I hav taken recently with my Rebel XTi.
Blurryeyed wrote:
St3v3M wrote:
Adorama, Amazon, and B&H all sell the Canon EOS Rebel T4i Digital SLR Camera Kit with Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens at $949.


If you were to get that camera you would probably want either the new 40mm pancake lens or the new 18-135 lens so that you could take advantage of the auto focus for video as those are the only two lenses that the new system works with. Those two new lenses have a different focusing system, not as fast for photographs but the only auto focus available for video.
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Jun 13, 2012 01:54:40   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
RaydancePhoto wrote:
As mentioned about the 50D, it is a very good camera. However, the noise at ISO 800 is much worse than my T2I @ 1600. I find the 50D I use less and less in favor of the T2i. I like the build quality of the 50, feels like a tank in your hand yet comfortable. I have no conclusion, I like both cameras. My future body will be the 7D to replace the 50.


It is interesting that you mentioned the ISO on the 50D as I try to stay well under 800 on my 50D which is a struggle because I am often shooting macro without a flash so I am always fighting with motion blur vs DOF concerns. I have not even tried higher ISO's on the 60D because my 50D has taught me that high ISO's = unacceptable noise... I will check out the 60 and see if it is as good as your T2i.. You also mentioned build quality, both the T4i and the 60D are plastic, but that does not concern me so much as my first digital SLR was the old Rebel 300. I had placed it under the seat in my car so that it would not be noticed as I did not want anyone to try and steal it while I was away from the car, when I got back into the car I was accompanied by a guy that was about 300 lbs who got into the car and immediately backed up the power seat onto the camera body... I moved the seat forward and with some effort dislodged the camera which had some new mars in its finish, but the camera functioned perfectly... The plastic is stronger than most people imagine....

I do know that the 60D is probably larger then the T4i and has some buttons that the T4i doesn't have but I would not be to concerned about overall build quality in any of these cameras as I really think that based on my experience they are all pretty durable.

But thanks for the tip on the ISO, I have been gun shy on using anything over 640 after shooting with the 50D...

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Jun 13, 2012 02:00:10   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
eskiles wrote:
Yes the 18-135 would be nice. Here are some I hav taken recently with my Rebel XTi.
Blurryeyed wrote:
St3v3M wrote:
Adorama, Amazon, and B&H all sell the Canon EOS Rebel T4i Digital SLR Camera Kit with Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens at $949.


If you were to get that camera you would probably want either the new 40mm pancake lens or the new 18-135 lens so that you could take advantage of the auto focus for video as those are the only two lenses that the new system works with. Those two new lenses have a different focusing system, not as fast for photographs but the only auto focus available for video.
quote=St3v3M Adorama, Amazon, and B&H all sel... (show quote)
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Nice!

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Jun 13, 2012 06:43:09   #
jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada
 
picture quality wise, nikon 3200 might smoke them both?
with new 24 mp sensor.

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Jun 13, 2012 07:46:00   #
magicunicorn Loc: Melbourne Australia
 
i have a 7 D and it is a brillant camera. It is more robust and weather proof to a point but i also was going through the same delima. I definatly made the right choice with the 7D definatly no regreats
good luck with your choice

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Jun 13, 2012 09:57:50   #
Turbo Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
I too use a 7D and the noise is very acceptable at 3200 or 6400 ISO. With a battery grip, I routinely get 1500 shots per charge.

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Jun 13, 2012 10:49:28   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 
eskiles wrote:
Is the new Rebel T4i worthwhile? I have been thinking of upgrading to a 60d for the frame rate but now Canon has the new rebel with "Digic 5". Has anyone tried it? Or is it too new? I now have the Rebel XTi and like it but the slow frame rate makes capturing tennis shots a challenge.


I think the T4i is only available by pre order according to B & H Photo. At a list price of $849 it sounds very interesting. Feature wise it does sound like a 60D. Because of the similarities, I wonder if an upgrade to the 60 D is in the close future?

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Jun 13, 2012 10:54:25   #
les_stockton Loc: Eastern Oklahoma
 


The 7D is my choice, but one caveat to this that people might want to be aware of is that the 7D is a "sealed" body. A guy that I know has one and he told me that it can get overheated if shooting a lot (and I mean, a lot). The time I used it for a gymnastics event, I shot several thousand images over a 3 day period, but experienced no problems with his 7D. I like the idea of a sealed body too, but I thought I'd mention that issue since it might be a problem for some.

Knowing what I know, if I had a choice and money weren't an issue, I'd get a 7D. That 60D is nice though. It would be an improvement over either of my current cameras (the 400D (XTi) and a 40D).

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Jun 13, 2012 11:00:19   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
les_stockton wrote:


The 7D is my choice, but one caveat to this that people might want to be aware of is that the 7D is a "sealed" body. A guy that I know has one and he told me that it can get overheated if shooting a lot (and I mean, a lot). The time I used it for a gymnastics event, I shot several thousand images over a 3 day period, but experienced no problems with his 7D. I like the idea of a sealed body too, but I thought I'd mention that issue since it might be a problem for some.

Knowing what I know, if I had a choice and money weren't an issue, I'd get a 7D. That 60D is nice though. It would be an improvement over either of my current cameras (the 400D (XTi) and a 40D).
quote=Coker I would seriously consider the 7D bef... (show quote)


I have seen alot of posts here touting the 7D and although I agree that the 7D is the very best of the Canon crop sensor cameras if I were in the market to purchase a new body and were considering the 7D I think that I would wait a year of so for its replacement to be released as we have already gotten a small preview of the new technologies that Canon will be incorporating into its new bodies in the T4i... The advances are not just marginal, they are substantial. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Jun 13, 2012 11:02:56   #
les_stockton Loc: Eastern Oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:

I have seen alot of posts here touting the 7D and although I agree that the 7D is the very best of the Canon crop sensor cameras if I were in the market to purchase a new body and were considering the 7D I think that I would wait a year of so for its replacement to be released as we have already gotten a small preview of the new technologies that Canon will be incorporating into its new bodies in the T4i... The advances are not just marginal, they are substantial. Just my 2 cents worth.


That could be a worthy idea. even if a person didn't want any of the new functionality, the mere existence of the newer camera might make the price of a 7D come down; and it would likely also make some decent used 7Ds available at a good price too.

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Jun 13, 2012 11:28:11   #
bvargas Loc: Palm Harbor, Florida
 
Two (2) lenses to consider on your new purchase is the 18-135mm or 15-85mm instead of the kit lens. My opinion. BV

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Jun 13, 2012 11:44:38   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
bvargas wrote:
Two (2) lenses to consider on your new purchase is the 18-135mm or 15-85mm instead of the kit lens. My opinion. BV


I just purchased the 15-85 mainly based on the early reviews I had read about the lens when it came out touting its image quality. Although the build quality is vastly superior to the 18-135 and the USM focusing is very nice, I am not yet convinced that the IQ is as good as the early reviews suggested. It may be that I have not gotten out and tested the lens in better conditions as it is a very recent purchase and I have only shot around the house. I really felt that the IQ would be at least equal to the 10-22 but I am not yet convinced that it is.

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Jun 13, 2012 12:27:01   #
eskiles Loc: Palmer Alaska
 
Too many options, It's making my head hurt! Canon has created many cameras and lenses that I would love to have. The new T4i as blurryeyed has noted is one of the new class of Canon with the new Digic 5 processor the new 5D has a digic 5+, I imagine Canon will try to offload the older class with Digic 4 maybe with less cost or bundles with better lenses. Either way Canon wins and so do we. Hooray

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Jun 13, 2012 16:03:04   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
eskiles wrote:
Is the new Rebel T4i worthwhile? I have been thinking of upgrading to a 60d for the frame rate but now Canon has the new rebel with "Digic 5". Has anyone tried it? Or is it too new? I now have the Rebel XTi and like it but the slow frame rate makes capturing tennis shots a challenge.


Upgrading is an interesting subject.

You haven't said what lenses you presently have, but 95% of the time in the camera/lens combination, the lens is the weak link of the chain. Your Rebel will out perform all lenses until you get into the "L" series. In my opinion upgrading the camera body should only be considered after you have invested in absolute top lenses and "milked" the total quality ability of the present camera body.

I know that doesn't answer the frame rate, but fast frame rate is, in most cases, valuable only on a very small percentage of our image capturing unless you are a sports photographer, or specialty photographer requiring that feature. I believe image quality is still more important than frame rate.

That's my 3 cents worth :-P

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