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Jan 5, 2017 11:53:25   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
As my wise old grandmother used to say, "If you don't have anything nice to say, keep your *#&$#&^$# mouth shut."
It took me a while before learning that if one doesn't ask for constructive criticism, then it's not my place to provide it,
so I keep my *#&$#&^$# mouth shut. Not everyone is interested in improving. Some are simply interested in sharing
a part of their lives. If they are interested in improving, I think they'll ask for suggestions or criticisms. I do find it
interesting here and on the Internet in general that the bullies have to say something about everything, and they usually
don't have a nice way to say it and are not interested in improving their conversational skills. They never ask for
constructive criticism or suggestions on how to improve those conversational skills. Thus, I just move on. Not interested in them.

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Jan 5, 2017 12:16:50   #
angela k Loc: Long Island
 
russelray wrote:
As my wise old grandmother used to say, "If you don't have anything nice to say, keep your *#&$#&^$# mouth shut."
It took me a while before learning that if one doesn't ask for constructive criticism, then it's not my place to provide it,
so I keep my *#&$#&^$# mouth shut. Not everyone is interested in improving. Some are simply interested in sharing
a part of their lives. If they are interested in improving, I think they'll ask for suggestions or criticisms. I do find it
interesting here and on the Internet in general that the bullies have to say something about everything, and they usually
don't have a nice way to say it and are not interested in improving their conversational skills. They never ask for
constructive criticism or suggestions on how to improve those conversational skills. Thus, I just move on. Not interested in them.
As my wise old grandmother used to say, "If y... (show quote)


Amen!!! Couldn't have said it better!!! Thanks!

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Jan 5, 2017 12:28:30   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
russelray wrote:
...I do find it interesting here and on the Internet in general that the bullies have to say something about everything, and they usually don't have a nice way to say it..

Jim Bob's companion topic is titled "Beercat Sucks." I think that says all that needs to be said about internet bullies, narcissists, those with poor impulse control, or anger management issues. (I'm not a psychiatrist but I can play one on UHH )

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Jan 5, 2017 12:35:52   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Personalli I welcome any valid ctitique as I will take all the help I can get. BTW I try not to post my bad photos for any number of reasons, as they would take too many pages.

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Jan 5, 2017 13:26:21   #
Jim Bob
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
It is a disservice to the poster to give praise or acceptance to what is nothing more than a mundane snapshot---pets and grandkids included.


Well I don't care what the subject is. But if you post it on a public forum don't get offended if someone says it sucks.

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Jan 5, 2017 13:28:15   #
chaman
 
Cool thread until some of the usual members of the hypocritical bandwagon decided to show up with their, also usual, romantic rationalizations to excuse their own behavior in MOST of threads posted here, specially in the photo gallery section. This section behaves like a cancer, eating away common sense and any logic regarding what it takes to create a decent image. Im tired of the crybabies saying, "I would like constructive criticism"....yeah buddy, that is BS and you and all your hypocritical fanboys know it. You want PRAISE....let me say it again...PRAISE. You want praise and most go around as many images they can and praise ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can. Why? because they want PRAISE throw back to them.

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Jan 5, 2017 13:30:11   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
As you may know, Jim Bob, topics with this theme have been discussed in For Your Consideration often, and with great, shall we say, spirit

In my experience, the loudest voices tend to be those who don't understand the difference between objective critique (of which very little exists, mainly to do with technique and a bit regarding composition) and personal opinion.

And also the loudest (and rudest) voices tend to see their way as the only Truth.

I posted a topic for feedback in Gallery yesterday and have been absolutely thrilled with the carefully thought-out and written opinions. When one can back up their opinions with the why is when feedback is most valuable to an OP.

The OP can then digest the contents, absorb what is valuable to their own journey, and expel the rest

Check it out:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-433416-1.html

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As you may know, Jim Bob, topics with this theme h... (show quote)


Linda,

Your comments on photos are excellent. I have noticed that you regularly explain why you like or dislike a photo, in a pleasant, constructive and nonthreatening manner. I look forward to your review of any of my work.

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Jan 5, 2017 13:32:08   #
Jim Bob
 
russelray wrote:
As my wise old grandmother used to say, "If you don't have anything nice to say, keep your *#&$#&^$# mouth shut."
It took me a while before learning that if one doesn't ask for constructive criticism, then it's not my place to provide it,
so I keep my *#&$#&^$# mouth shut. Not everyone is interested in improving. Some are simply interested in sharing
a part of their lives. If they are interested in improving, I think they'll ask for suggestions or criticisms. I do find it
interesting here and on the Internet in general that the bullies have to say something about everything, and they usually
don't have a nice way to say it and are not interested in improving their conversational skills. They never ask for
constructive criticism or suggestions on how to improve those conversational skills. Thus, I just move on. Not interested in them.
As my wise old grandmother used to say, "If y... (show quote)


Well your dear old grandma would accept the world as it is given and never say anything that might improve it. That is the logical conclusion to that old adage. As an example, the Veterans Administration is shameful in the way it responds to those who have sacrificed everything for our freedom and way of life. Guess I shouldn't say that because it's not nice. With all due respect to your grandmother (and to others who espouse this view) that advice sucks.

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Jan 5, 2017 13:35:27   #
Jim Bob
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Jim Bob's companion topic is titled "Beercat Sucks." I think that says all that needs to be said about internet bullies, narcissists, those with poor impulse control, or anger management issues. (I'm not a psychiatrist but I can play one on UHH )


If you don't like it, don't read it Linda. Visit another thread that is more to your liking. I'm not looking for a Ms. Goody Two Shoes around here. If that makes me a bully, narcissist...etc, then so be it.

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Jan 5, 2017 13:36:10   #
Jim Bob
 
chaman wrote:
Cool thread until some of the usual members of the hypocritical bandwagon decided to show up with their, also usual, romantic rationalizations to excuse their own behavior in MOST of threads posted here, specially in the photo gallery section. This section behaves like a cancer, eating away common sense and any logic regarding what it takes to create a decent image. Im tired of the crybabies saying, "I would like constructive criticism"....yeah buddy, that is BS and you and all your hypocritical fanboys know it. You want PRAISE....let me say it again...PRAISE. You want praise and most go around as many images they can and praise ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can. Why? because they want PRAISE throw back to them.
Cool thread until some of the usual members of the... (show quote)


Exactly.

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Jan 5, 2017 13:39:40   #
Jim Bob
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
As you may know, Jim Bob, topics with this theme have been discussed in For Your Consideration often, and with great, shall we say, spirit

In my experience, the loudest voices tend to be those who don't understand the difference between objective critique (of which very little exists, mainly to do with technique and a bit regarding composition) and personal opinion.

And also the loudest (and rudest) voices tend to see their way as the only Truth.

I posted a topic for feedback in Gallery yesterday and have been absolutely thrilled with the carefully thought-out and written opinions. When one can back up their opinions with the why is when feedback is most valuable to an OP.

The OP can then digest the contents, absorb what is valuable to their own journey, and expel the rest

Check it out:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-433416-1.html

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As you may know, Jim Bob, topics with this theme h... (show quote)


Well I guess we should all adopt your experience and viewpoint as the right one. No thanks.

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Jan 5, 2017 13:51:16   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Well I don't care what the subject is. But if you post it on a public forum don't get offended if someone says it sucks.


That was my point . I should have said "especially pets and grandkids."

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Jan 5, 2017 13:56:07   #
tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
As you may know, Jim Bob, topics with this theme have been discussed in For Your Consideration often, and with great, shall we say, spirit

In my experience, the loudest voices tend to be those who don't understand the difference between objective critique (of which very little exists, mainly to do with technique and a bit regarding composition) and personal opinion.

And also the loudest (and rudest) voices tend to see their way as the only Truth.

I posted a topic for feedback in Gallery yesterday and have been absolutely thrilled with the carefully thought-out and written opinions. When one can back up their opinions with the why is when feedback is most valuable to an OP.

The OP can then digest the contents, absorb what is valuable to their own journey, and expel the rest

Check it out:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-433416-1.html

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As you may know, Jim Bob, topics with this theme h... (show quote)


Great answer Linda.

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Jan 5, 2017 14:16:21   #
Elliern Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
russelray wrote:
As my wise old grandmother used to say, "If you don't have anything nice to say, keep your *#&$#&^$# mouth shut."
It took me a while before learning that if one doesn't ask for constructive criticism, then it's not my place to provide it,
so I keep my *#&$#&^$# mouth shut. Not everyone is interested in improving. Some are simply interested in sharing
a part of their lives. If they are interested in improving, I think they'll ask for suggestions or criticisms. I do find it
interesting here and on the Internet in general that the bullies have to say something about everything, and they usually
don't have a nice way to say it and are not interested in improving their conversational skills. They never ask for
constructive criticism or suggestions on how to improve those conversational skills. Thus, I just move on. Not interested in them.
As my wise old grandmother used to say, "If y... (show quote)


You are so right! Well said.

I find it interesting that some say others ignore them when they tell people their images suck, (that is what they define as helpful criticsm)...but then they themselves ignore others who try help them learn how to improve the way they critique the work of others. Hmmm?

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Jan 5, 2017 16:07:08   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Jim Bob wrote:
I do but usually end up on the ignore list (for which I take no offense) or otherwise called a bad apple.


Criticism, OK

Your problem is that there are days when you are in a mood like you are mad at the world and someone put itching powder in your jock strap. You have also posted a few things that read like you are drunk and mad at the same time.
Then other times you are a reasonable nice person.

34 years in the classroom taught me that criticism is fine, as long as it has a point and teaches
As someone else posted "Looks like crap!" just gets people upset. So something like "a bit out of focus" and if I were doing this I would crop it.... etc etc. You might also search for something to compliment like "A really good subject and the lighting is very good. You just need a bit of work on composition and..."

Who knows, they might come back with a redo and a message like "Thanks for the help, it does look better like this."

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