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Jan 5, 2017 11:03:55   #
Jim Bob
 
If you post an image be prepared to accept both criticism and praise.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:05:12   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
In my opinion, people are too polite. There is too much praise and too little constructive criticism.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:16:51   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
I agree with that. I think we should raise our standards. Call out of focus out of focus. call bad exposure....bad composition.




lwerthe1mer wrote:
In my opinion, people are too polite. There is too much praise and too little constructive criticism.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:17:15   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
The problem lies in the level of expertise of the poster and of the replier. A useful rule for repliers would be to offer comments as uf you were a teacher teaching a student.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:18:30   #
Jim Bob
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
In my opinion, people are too polite. There is too much praise and too little constructive criticism.


You are absolutely correct. People are thin-skinned, believe they are immune from criticism and content with mediocrity. When I post I welcome criticism because I realize I am in need of improvement. All this sycophantic admiration is sickening.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:19:50   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
John_F wrote:
The problem lies in the level of expertise of the poster and of the replier. A useful rule for repliers would be to offer comments as uf you were a teacher teaching a student.


Diplomacy is a given, but constructive criticism is very appropriate.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:21:15   #
Jim Bob
 
John_F wrote:
The problem lies in the level of expertise of the poster and of the replier. A useful rule for repliers would be to offer comments as uf you were a teacher teaching a student.


It won't matter to people who are not receptive to it regardless of form. If I say the image is very colorful but focus is soft, people (Beercat, for example) take
offense and put me on the ignore list. I do not share your charitable view of many posters on this site.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:22:20   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
Jim Bob wrote:
If you post an image be prepared to accept both criticism and praise.


Criticism is fine as long as it is done in a constructive way. "Your photo looks like crap" really doesn't cut it. If you "suggest" they move in closer, move left or right, focus on a different point, etc., it teaches. If the photographer doesn't like that kind of critique, they will never improve.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:23:33   #
Jim Bob
 
foathog wrote:
I agree with that. I think we should raise our standards. Call out of focus out of focus. call bad exposure....bad composition.


I do but usually end up on the ignore list (for which I take no offense) or otherwise called a bad apple.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:24:10   #
Jim Bob
 
Ralloh wrote:
Criticism is fine as long as it is done in a constructive way. "Your photo looks like crap" really doesn't cut it. If you "suggest" they move in closer, move left or right, focus on a different point, etc., it teaches. If the photographer doesn't like that kind of critique, they will never improve.


See my earlier post.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:29:48   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
It is a disservice to the poster to give praise or acceptance to what is nothing more than a mundane snapshot---pets and grandkids included.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:29:51   #
tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
In my opinion, people are too polite. There is too much praise and too little constructive criticism.


I find that in the Photo gallery ,that it's like posting on Facebook ,nothing but praise. Granted there has been, and I'm sure it will continue , that a lot of images are really good and praise should be given. Then there are some that instead of praise the poster should be told "NICELY" what is wrong or how to improve. By not doing so ,it's not helping them to become more adept in the world of photography.
We did have a section that did just that, but it became a place for trolls so it slowly faded away.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:31:54   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
Jim Bob wrote:
See my earlier post.


I generally post immediately after reading the original, without reading other posts. That way I give my personal opinion.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:36:31   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
tusketwedge wrote:
I find that in the Photo gallery ,that it's like posting on Facebook ,nothing but praise. Granted there has been, and I'm sure it will continue , that a lot of images are really good and praise should be given. Then there are some that instead of praise the poster should be told "NICELY" what is wrong or how to improve. By not doing so ,it's not helping them to become more adept in the world of photography.
We did have a section that did just that, but it became a place for trolls so it slowly faded away.
I find that in the Photo gallery ,that it's like p... (show quote)


This is human nature, I believe. I sing on a karaoke site called SingSnap. Yes, believe it or not, I do sing. Some people are quite good, others are just horrible. They all get an equal amount of praise, though. Never helpful criticism. Kind of hard for me to give gushy praise when I play someone's recording and the dog starts howling and the cats run for cover.

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Jan 5, 2017 11:50:11   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
As you may know, Jim Bob, topics with this theme have been discussed in For Your Consideration often, and with great, shall we say, spirit

In my experience, the loudest voices tend to be those who don't understand the difference between objective critique (of which very little exists, mainly to do with technique and a bit regarding composition) and personal opinion.

And also the loudest (and rudest) voices tend to see their way as the only Truth.

I posted a topic for feedback in Gallery yesterday and have been absolutely thrilled with the carefully thought-out and written opinions. When one can back up their opinions with the why is when feedback is most valuable to an OP.

The OP can then digest the contents, absorb what is valuable to their own journey, and expel the rest

Check it out:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-433416-1.html

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