Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA

They do offer some budget and some pro-level lenses in all the common focal lengths, so there is something for most everyone - but not the quantity of Nikon or Canon.

Remember, Sony mirrorless cameras are pretty new (I want to say about 3 or 4 years since the a7 debuted - is that right, Cholly?) and they use the newer e-mount, different from the a-mount (Minolta mount) that their a77ii, a99, upcoming a99ii, and their other older slr/slr-style cameras use.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

There has been some discussion that Sony may move to all e-mount lenses, but not seeing to date. I have a Canon EF to e mount adapter . Not sure the pricey but respected Sony FE to e mount (think I have that right) adapter is in my future though. I think some of the proprietary features of Sony is the last stumbling block they need to conquer to move into #1 for sales, assuming lens production remains on track. Even at that is is a steep hill to climb.

Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA

Sony is already number one in mirrorless sales, and mirrorless is a growing market segment while DSLR sales are shrinking.

I've heard that rumor about abandoning the a-mount, but a Sony exec in a Korean interview recently committed to its continuance, so we'll see. They are down to just two a-mount models.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Again, I don't want to be rude... something it seems you have no compunction about.... but I suggest you go back and reread the post in question. Then read the post that preceded it. Then read the post after your question. Then read your response to that post.

If after carefully considering the content of all the posts in the order they were listed you STILL don't understand, then my advice to you would be to consider it one of life's mysteries that you just can't figure out and MOVE ON.

SwedeUSA2

Is this your response to what "hypocritical" means? You still didn't get it, did you?

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

The A7 debut in the last half of 2013. It was DESIGNED to be a small, less expensive, high image quality camera for people vested in other manufacturer lens mounts wishing for a full frame alternative with a small footprint.

Multiple mount adapters were released simultaneous with the camera to allow Olympus, Pentax, Canon, Leica, Nikon, and Minolta legacy lens owners the ability to use Sony's new FE mount system.

The production of native FE mount lenses was always secondary because the camera mount system is marketed towards people with existing glass. And because of the large number of available adapters for most lenses manufactured within the last 50 years... again, the intended market segment the camera was designed to appeal to... the need to develop an extensive range of lenses was secondary.

In fact, Sony only accelerated the pace of FE mount lens release when FE mount camera sales exceeded expectations.

But as it stands, there are multiple native lenses available in 2-3 models covering all focal lengths and quality levels in either the E or FE mount. Everything from cheap plastic lenses to more expensive Pro level G lenses to very expensive high quality Zeiss lenses. In fact, you can find more lenses for the Sony E mount system than almost any other mount.

So lens availability is not a problem. ;)

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Neither it would seem, do you. :(

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

Works for me. I like using my Canon glass and a couple of Sony lenses on my a6000. Best of both worlds. Good post.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

You are the kind of guy Sony had in mind. :thumbup:

I was in a camera store earlier this afternoon talking with a tech about the future of DSLRS. He said there are only 6-8 high quality repair shops left in the country because of the decline of the SLR/DSLR market, due mainly to cell phones and other devices like go pros.

In his words "we spent decades improving cameras, film, processing, and now digital cameras and software to make every part of the photography experience as good as humanly possible. Now people settle for what's good enough and don't care about quality."

Some of us do... but as a rule I think he is right.:(

Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA

Thanks, Cholly. I doubted you and looked it up (sorry, but it seems longer than just under two years since the e-mount!) And Sirlensalot, how do your Canon lenses work on your a6000? I know with manual focus Sony cameras' focus peaking can't be beat, but do you get any auto function? I'm following a thread on Milky Way shots and I feel pretty smug reading all the suggestions for obtaining proper focus of stars (most modern lenses focus past infinity) because I shoot stars quite a bit with my a77ii and never have trouble focusing. I just adjust it until I see a bunch of red dots, the focus-peaking of the in-focus stars.

I think you are right about the history/intent, Cholly. Now that Sony has become a market leader (in mirrorless and in quality & innovation), Sony is trying to do what it must - deal with the constant criticism of few native lenses. I think Sony's focus has shifted now that the a7 series has become a serious contender in all circles, even pro. These things are no longer just small, lightweight alternatives that accept any lens, but highly sought-after bodies that are better than similar offerings from any manufacturer. Sony has done that to a great extent with the new camera-to-be-beat, the a7rii, which with a simple adapter uses a-mount or Canon lenses with FULL AUTO FUNCTION. Now there are hundreds of legacy and new lenses with full function to suit any need, and that will buy Sony some time while it continues developing its line of e-mount lenses.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Yep. :thumbup:

BTW, I use red for focus peaking too. Stands out the best to me, especially since it is high contrast in almost every situation.

Sony see's the E mount as it's cash cow and don't be surprised to see more lenses and another addition to the A7x family in the next few months.

And there will be an A99II, but beyond that? Well, Sony is updating all their A mount G and Carl Zeiss lenses... meaning the plan to keep the SLT line going. After the new Full Frame there will need to be a new entry level and mid-range A mount camera to fill the gaps. Hopefully some of the success of the E mounts will lead to people just getting into serious photography considering Sony in high enough numbers to raise it from 3rd to 2nd or 1st place in DSLR sales. :thumbup:

Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA

I disagree with a single point, Cholly (and btw, much of what I said in my last post you know, but I wrote it for others who may not.) With the price point of the a77ii, I don't think Sony really needs to bring back an updated a65. Any entry-level newcomer could and probably should go to the a6000. I would have been tempted a couple years ago, had it been out when I bought my a77 and finally entered the digital SLR world.

What I would like to see Sony do is release an a7rii-a (or whatever moniker they choose), which is their new flagship mirrorless, of course, but with an a-mount, no adapter. That simple move of integrating an a-mount and making a plethora of quality, proven glass available without any adapter would quiet many a naysayer.

Sony knows that with the ILCA (formerly SLT) line it's fighting a battle that cannot be won; Sony will never be more than a niche in a shrinking field of DSLR-style cameras overrun by Canon & Nikon. I cannot see Sony putting much more into it than it does. Having said that, sensors-its biggest sector, with Sony sensors in 40% of all cameras, cell phones, etc.-and focusing systems, processors, and the like can be easily adapted to the alpha line. Perhaps Sony will do as some have speculated, even as it has done with the a7 line and Canon has now done with its 5D line, and release several a99 updates. On the other hand, a single update a la the a7rii while keeping a high frame rate might make for the very best camera ever made, and I think few would be foolish enough to argue against that point.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

A mirrorless A mount would explain why Sony is updating all it's higher quality A mount lenses. But the new SSM drives with increased focus speed seem tailor made for the new AF module as found in the A77II and soon to be released A99II.

You are right about the DSLR market though. It is shrinking by the day. I just hope it doesn't go away until AFTER I point my toes to the sky for the last time. ;)

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

I purchased a Fotodiox adapter for $100 from B&H for the Canon lenses to the a6000. They do AF with this adapter, but it is slower to focus than without the adapter, which I knew prior to purchase. Even the metabones adapters have slow AF, so I am okay with my choice which is a lot cheaper. Adapter is made well, and fit to camera and lens is excellent. Using the 70-200/4 sometimes feels a bit awkward because of camera size, but it works. I also enjoy using focus peaking in MF. The a6000 is so versatile, I find it difficult to pick a favorite feature.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

^^^There you have it... someone with experience using legacy glass on an E mount camera who seems to be fairly satisfied. :thumbup: