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Dec 29, 2014 14:02:44   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
71shvel wrote:
WOW! pretty interesting how one little thread can escalate into a 7 page thread and all of it because someone had a birthday. Mr. Newton still has about 1600 years to go before changing the world as long as Jesus has. Most people still us the term BC or AD to reference years. Interesting.


A good point. We still use BC to reference Before Christ was born. I wonder why that has stuck for over 2000 years simply to make a time reference to a man that some people say never existed.

Dennis

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Dec 29, 2014 14:20:09   #
cesarakg Loc: Candelaria - Brazil
 
Davethehiker wrote:
Heck, If Al Gore called me up today and agreed to pay me some big bucks to prove man made global warming, I would take his money and send a report confirming his belief. It's all about faith. You have faith that the scientists are objective and telling you the truth. Nobody would lie just to make money.


I can't say anything about your way of doing science, you know what you did better than me, and you can tell anything about it. One question, only, there are some papers you published by peer-revised periodics you can point? Just curious.

Why would "The Big Government" pays for scientific papers that says climate change is real, and do nothing about it? Generosity and a desire to be bashed by everybody? And how do they payed the scientists of other countries?

Nobody has more money than oil industry. That's why we have "think tanks" that denies climate changing, against all evidence.

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Dec 29, 2014 14:26:46   #
cesarakg Loc: Candelaria - Brazil
 
dennis2146 wrote:
A good point. We still use BC to reference Before Christ was born. I wonder why that has stuck for over 2000 years simply to make a time reference to a man that some people say never existed.


This proves nothing, except that a roman emperor and a pair of popes can change calendars and start new ones.

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Dec 29, 2014 14:42:02   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
cesarakg wrote:

One question, only, there are some papers you published by peer-revised periodics you can point? Just curious..


Yes, several published peer reviewed papers in recognized scientific periodicals. And a half dozen patents in my name.

I anticipate that you are now going call me lair, and demand I provide a link to those publication and patents. I'm not going to because:

1) It would be a big bother.

2) It would provide a link to the company I worked for and I have already impugned their scientific integrity. I don't want to get them mad at me. They pay my pension.

Believe what every you want to believe. I was just pointing out that not all "scientific" papers are objective.

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Dec 29, 2014 14:45:25   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Davethehiker wrote:
Yes, several published peer reviewed papers in recognized scientific periodicals. And a half dozen patents in my name.

I anticipate that you are now going call me lair, and demand I provide a link to those publication and patents. I'm not going to because:

1) It would be a big bother.

2) It would provide a link to the company I worked for and I have already impugned their scientific integrity. I don't want to get them mad at me. They pay my pension.

Believe what every you want to believe. I was just pointing out that not all "scientific" papers are objective.
Yes, several published peer reviewed papers in rec... (show quote)


What you are saying is "I am a liar and you need to believe me". Can you see the problem?

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Dec 29, 2014 14:57:01   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
cesarakg wrote:
Now you made me curious. How the killing of pagans and heretics was justified by its christian perpetrators? The invasion and killing of muslims and christians that lived in Palestine during the Crusades, for example. Jesus didn't told to kill anybody, and his exhortation to "sell your cloak and buy [a sword]" was... metaphoric?

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
—Luke 22:36, NIV
Now you made me curious. How the killing of pagans... (show quote)


If you were/are smart enough to dig out the verse, you might also have been smart enough to understand it in context of what was happening.... and what did happen..

Christ Knew and was warning them that His time was very near and that when he was no longer with them, they would be (and were) persecuted for being his followers.... They would need a bag to carry provisions and money and a Sword for Protection, NOT to wage war

When The soldiers moved in to take Christ, Peter drew his sword and cut off one of the soldiers ears... HAD Christ told him to do that.. NO... and what did Jesus Say to Peter...

John 18-11 So Jesus said to Peter, “Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?”

Think about those words..NOT words of WAR to be waged.. but words of acknowledgement that His time on earth and the job he did while on earth were very close to being over...

and of course Christ replaced miraculously the mans ear...

Mike

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Dec 29, 2014 15:01:31   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
Far North wrote:
Based on what you say here, then the OP is trolling.


That would be my opinion.....

Mike

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Dec 29, 2014 15:05:25   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
thom w wrote:
What you are saying is "I am a liar and you need to believe me". Can you see the problem?


LOL :lol: Yes your right. I see your point. But your a man of faith, have faith in me.

I have already said too much. The company I worked for was a very honorable and treated me well. They are known for their contributions to science. The people are human and are driven to turn a profit. The government provided grants that were to lucrative to turn down.

Let me give you another example. I knew a man who was an accountant for "American Chiclet" Chewing Gum company. He told me every year they would give grants to various collages to prove that chewing gum is good for you. Year after years the schools would submit their report stating, they could find no health benefits to chewing gum. The company would thank them and the next year do the same thing with another school. A couple of years ago I read that a school said that chewing gum is good for you. I thought of the conversation I had with that accountant. Does this really surprise you?

I will provide this link that I found on the Internet:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/02/nyt-admits-gore-making-fortune-global-warming

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Dec 29, 2014 17:46:54   #
nairiam Loc: Bonnie Scotland
 
Thank you Bob. I'm neutral on the subject but admire your research and presentation.
nairiam

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Dec 29, 2014 17:55:51   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
nairiam wrote:
Thank you Bob. I'm neutral on the subject but admire your research and presentation.
nairiam



This email is a natural hand-made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and in no way are to be considered flaws.

Love your tag line on the bottom. :lol:

I once owned a deer skin jacket that came with a label that said much the same thing about blemishes on the hide.

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Dec 29, 2014 18:46:05   #
nairiam Loc: Bonnie Scotland
 
Davethehiker wrote:
This email is a natural hand-made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and in no way are to be considered flaws.

Love your tag line on the bottom. :lol:

I once owned a deer skin jacket that came with a label that said much the same thing about blemishes on the hide.


Yes, covers a lot of sins. I'm a Scotsman trying to speak English!!

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Dec 29, 2014 18:51:18   #
LarJgrip Loc: The Fraser Valley
 
cesarakg wrote:
The power of marketing?


Nope, care to try again?

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Dec 29, 2014 19:04:05   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
cesarakg wrote:
This proves nothing, except that a roman emperor and a pair of popes can change calendars and start new ones.


I don't think you are paying attention. My point is not that the calendar was changed. I believe everyone agrees that it was. The point is that if there were no Christ as some have stated and if he was not an important figure 2000 years ago, then why would his name be used to denote two separate time periods in history.

I don't see BM, Before Mohammed, anywhere in history, do you. I have not heard of anyone making a shrine to Mohammed's mother anywhere, have you? The Muslims have a shrine to honor Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Dennis

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Dec 29, 2014 19:47:01   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
travelwp wrote:
The professor stated a fact. Why do people get bent around the axle over these things?


It is very simple why Christians get bent out of shape over these things, because it was meant as a jab at Christians and Christmas, tweeted sarcasm.

Jesus (presumed) born on Dec 25th who began his ministry at the age of 30 had changed the world. So what if Newton was born on Dec 25 and had made a discovery. His discovery did not change the world. He discovered something that Jesus already knew about - it was Jesus who was the greatest physicists and mathematicians of all time. After all, it was Jesus who created the heavens and the Earth and without a doubt, gave Newton the clues to his discoveries.

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Dec 29, 2014 19:57:01   #
James Shaw
 
amyinsparta wrote:
"I guess Neil is just ignorant of the fact that many of the scientists of the past (and present) were, and are, bible believing Christians who believe in a special creation only 7000 years or so ago."

I'm sure Neil is also aware of the fact that 'scientists' of the past were drawn and quartered and/or made prisoners in their homes for 30+years for disagreeing with the Christian beliefs of that time.

The point he's making is that we have absolutely NO clue when Jesus was born, or even IF he was born. There are those who depend on evidence for their beliefs, and then there are those who believe without any proof of anything. And evidently, based on how the world operates these days, both wish others to believe the way they do or suffer consequences for either being atheists or believers, depending on which side they favor.

The ONLY thing that will get us out of this mess is the message that Jesus preached(if he existed)- treat others the way you wish to be treated. If a person needs, give him/her help. Do not demean or treat any living being unkindly.

Any action other than an action based on love of the other being, is counter productive in the long run.That means we cannot beat 'freedom' into someone by killing him, we cannot make a person better by executing him, we cannot make the world better by hating. One doesn't 'make war for peace. One makes peace for peace. Nothing lasting was EVER created by making war and hate on others. NOTHING. And with our making hate over all the earth, in the end, we will accomplish nothing.

That is my belief system.

Truly, all you need is LOVE. And obviously, the path of Love is a hard road to follow, but in the end, it is the only path that will get you where you want to go. And I don't mean just love for those like you, but love for all those you disagree with.
"I guess Neil is just ignorant of the fact th... (show quote)
Wow! Beautifully stated.

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