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Feb 21, 2012 21:31:28   #
naturepics43 Loc: Hocking Co. Ohio - USA
 
tinusbum wrote:
naturepics43 wrote:
tinusbum wrote:
heres my favorite one, its a sweetgum ball.thats a seed pod from a sweetgum tree. its a 3 shot stack with combinezp (Aperture-priority AE, 1/40 sec, f/9) CombineZP is free, download from here: http://hadleyweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CZP/News.htm


How difficult is combineZP to use? How much time is involved to do a 3 stack? Do you adjust each shot before stacking or do it after stack is complete? Could you provide a brief workflow?


all i do is open,click new,pick photos, click align thorough,do stack,save.it takes a few minutes,waiting mostly. tom
quote=naturepics43 quote=tinusbum heres my favor... (show quote)


Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try

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Feb 22, 2012 16:54:42   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
Stumptowner wrote:
Shot this by window light using 1/5-sec at f/8. ISO 200. WB set to cloudy. Original magnification was roughly 1:3 and then I cropped using iphoto on my MacBook. No other PP. I stacked 6 images using Helicon Focus.

Camera was a Nikon D300 with the Nikkor 105G macro lens.


a suggestion and an observation - the latter first. You tend to approach flowers from above looking down. Doing image stacking of a flower like the gerbia daisy seems a bit pointless since everything one might truely need in focus is pretty much all on the same focal plane.

Suggestion: come at the flowers from flower level - from the side - doing so will not only shift your way of seeing but will be a much better test for image stacking than what you are currently playing with.

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Feb 22, 2012 22:01:09   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
docrob wrote:
Stumptowner wrote:
Shot this by window light using 1/5-sec at f/8. ISO 200. WB set to cloudy. Original magnification was roughly 1:3 and then I cropped using iphoto on my MacBook. No other PP. I stacked 6 images using Helicon Focus.

Camera was a Nikon D300 with the Nikkor 105G macro lens.


a suggestion and an observation - the latter first. You tend to approach flowers from above looking down. Doing image stacking of a flower like the gerbia daisy seems a bit pointless since everything one might truely need in focus is pretty much all on the same focal plane.

Suggestion: come at the flowers from flower level - from the side - doing so will not only shift your way of seeing but will be a much better test for image stacking than what you are currently playing with.
quote=Stumptowner Shot this by window light using... (show quote)


Actually, I rarely photograph flowers from above. I believe the only ones I've done that with are Trilliums-- which I cannot find-- and weren't stacked.

Since I'm shooting at f8 with a macro lens the DOF is actually not that deep. I suppose I could post all images from the stack to demonstrate that individually they are not in focus, but I don't see the point.

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Feb 22, 2012 22:22:38   #
tinosa Loc: Grand Rapids Michigan
 
docrob wrote:
Stumptowner wrote:
Shot this by window light using 1/5-sec at f/8. ISO 200. WB set to cloudy. Original magnification was roughly 1:3 and then I cropped using iphoto on my MacBook. No other PP. I stacked 6 images using Helicon Focus.

Camera was a Nikon D300 with the Nikkor 105G macro lens.


a suggestion and an observation - the latter first. You tend to approach flowers from above looking down. Doing image stacking of a flower like the gerbia daisy seems a bit pointless since everything one might truely need in focus is pretty much all on the same focal plane.

Suggestion: come at the flowers from flower level - from the side - doing so will not only shift your way of seeing but will be a much better test for image stacking than what you are currently playing with.
quote=Stumptowner Shot this by window light using... (show quote)


Great advice Docrob, I think the Gladiola is a good subject for stacking.

One day soon I will give it a try.



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Feb 22, 2012 22:53:39   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
tinosa wrote:
docrob wrote:
Stumptowner wrote:
Shot this by window light using 1/5-sec at f/8. ISO 200. WB set to cloudy. Original magnification was roughly 1:3 and then I cropped using iphoto on my MacBook. No other PP. I stacked 6 images using Helicon Focus.

Camera was a Nikon D300 with the Nikkor 105G macro lens.


a suggestion and an observation - the latter first. You tend to approach flowers from above looking down. Doing image stacking of a flower like the gerbia daisy seems a bit pointless since everything one might truely need in focus is pretty much all on the same focal plane.

Suggestion: come at the flowers from flower level - from the side - doing so will not only shift your way of seeing but will be a much better test for image stacking than what you are currently playing with.
quote=Stumptowner Shot this by window light using... (show quote)


Great advice Docrob, I think the Gladiola is a good subject for stacking.

One day soon I will give it a try.
quote=docrob quote=Stumptowner Shot this by wind... (show quote)


yep the gladiola will be a challenge - try to find better light than the demo too

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Feb 22, 2012 22:55:10   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
Stumptowner wrote:
docrob wrote:
Stumptowner wrote:
Shot this by window light using 1/5-sec at f/8. ISO 200. WB set to cloudy. Original magnification was roughly 1:3 and then I cropped using iphoto on my MacBook. No other PP. I stacked 6 images using Helicon Focus.

Camera was a Nikon D300 with the Nikkor 105G macro lens.


a suggestion and an observation - the latter first. You tend to approach flowers from above looking down. Doing image stacking of a flower like the gerbia daisy seems a bit pointless since everything one might truely need in focus is pretty much all on the same focal plane.

Suggestion: come at the flowers from flower level - from the side - doing so will not only shift your way of seeing but will be a much better test for image stacking than what you are currently playing with.
quote=Stumptowner Shot this by window light using... (show quote)


Actually, I rarely photograph flowers from above. I believe the only ones I've done that with are Trilliums-- which I cannot find-- and weren't stacked.

Since I'm shooting at f8 with a macro lens the DOF is actually not that deep. I suppose I could post all images from the stack to demonstrate that individually they are not in focus, but I don't see the point.
quote=docrob quote=Stumptowner Shot this by wind... (show quote)


this may be true - shooting down - but the one's I've seen of yours with the image stacking have been taken from that point of view.....the gladiola will not go down so easily - how about an Iris?

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Feb 26, 2012 11:48:36   #
sueb Loc: Kennesaw, GA
 
How would you compare the stacking process in CS5 with the Hadley combinezp? CS5 is very easy to use, but does combinezp do a better job?

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Feb 27, 2012 15:42:24   #
NatureFan Loc: Winder, GA
 
This image of a daffodil was made from 50 images processed with Zerene Stacker PMax. The image stack was shot with a Pentax K5 camera and a Sigma 105mm f/2.8 lens (the older one) mounted on a Cognisys Stacker Shot. The images were taken at f/8.0 and 1/15 sec in manual focus. The daffodil was placed in a light-tent with backlighting with a LED white light.

The raw images were converted to 16-bit TIF files with a bit of sharpening. The final composite TIF was not processed in Lightroom 3 before posting.

The stack was processed by Zerene Stacker (both PMax and DMap) and by Helicon Focus (both methods A and B) with default settings. I prefer the image from Zerene Stacker PMax. The other three images had sigficant stacking artifacts.

The final image is what I had imagined while viewing the flower through the viewfinder.

Final image from 46-image processed stack
Final image from 46-image processed stack...

Image #1 of 46
Image #1 of 46...

Image #46 of 46
Image #46 of 46...

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Feb 27, 2012 16:22:07   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
NatureFan wrote:
This image of a daffodil was made from 50 images processed with Zerene Stacker PMax. The image stack was shot with a Pentax K5 camera and a Sigma 105mm f/2.8 lens (the older one) mounted on a Cognisys Stacker Shot. The images were taken at f/8.0 and 1/15 sec in manual focus. The daffodil was placed in a light-tent with backlighting with a LED white light.

The raw images were converted to 16-bit TIF files with a bit of sharpening. The final composite TIF was not processed in Lightroom 3 before posting.

The stack was processed by Zerene Stacker (both PMax and DMap) and by Helicon Focus (both methods A and B) with default settings. I prefer the image from Zerene Stacker PMax. The other three images had sigficant stacking artifacts.

The final image is what I had imagined while viewing the flower through the viewfinder.
This image of a daffodil was made from 50 images p... (show quote)


Let me get this straight - it required 50 separate images to create #1???

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Feb 27, 2012 17:05:43   #
NatureFan Loc: Winder, GA
 
The number #1 image is the first one of the 50 images to create the composite image. Number #46 is the 46th image in the stack.

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Feb 27, 2012 19:18:16   #
tinosa Loc: Grand Rapids Michigan
 
Nature Fan:
Thanks for the informative post.
Great work !
I was blown away when I googled "Cognisys Stacker". I never would have imagined a completely automated, programable stacking machine.
Quite expensive but well worth it I can see, for the dedicated stacking macro maven like yourself.
I hope you keep posting your stacks.

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Feb 27, 2012 19:47:07   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
NatureFan wrote:
The number #1 image is the first one of the 50 images to create the composite image. Number #46 is the 46th image in the stack.


Ok my mistake the FIRST image you posted in the final result of taking about 50 separate images and melding them together in this program??

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Feb 27, 2012 22:24:52   #
naturepics43 Loc: Hocking Co. Ohio - USA
 
Macro Forum Manager wrote:
This thread is strictly for macro images compiled with focus-stacking programs. Please provide a little text about process, number of original images, and name of program used. One "standard" narrow DOF image would be appreciated for comparison purposes.


HELP! I can't seem to get the same quality image as others on this thread. I used Nikon D90, Micro Nikkor 105D (set to 1:1) on copy stand with focusing rail. ISO 400, f-11, 1/125 I took 5 images at 1mm increments. I used combineZP to stack images then cropped. I did no PP. C&C please. I need help.

2nd image in series of 5-full size
2nd image in series of 5-full size...

Finished stack-cropped
Finished stack-cropped...

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Feb 27, 2012 23:45:24   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
naturepics43 wrote:
HELP! I can't seem to get the same quality image as others on this thread. I used Nikon D90, Micro Nikkor 105D (set to 1:1) on copy stand with focusing rail. ISO 400, f-11, 1/125 I took 5 images at 1mm increments. I used combineZP to stack images then cropped. I did no PP. C&C please. I need help.
I enlarged your composite image. It appears to me, that the top of your spider is not in focus.

One way to assure focus, is to start your millimeter increments ABOVE spider, then work your increments through spider. I suspect that if you had seven (7) separate 1-mm increments, you would have total sharpness.

Below is a chart showing focal resolution for different f-stops of a Nikkor 105D lens. You might consider f/8 or f/5.6 for optimal focus.

Also, use at least a 1-second delay for exposure, so you can eliminate mirror-caused sensor vibration in camera.



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Feb 28, 2012 00:09:33   #
naturepics43 Loc: Hocking Co. Ohio - USA
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
naturepics43 wrote:
HELP! I can't seem to get the same quality image as others on this thread. I used Nikon D90, Micro Nikkor 105D (set to 1:1) on copy stand with focusing rail. ISO 400, f-11, 1/125 I took 5 images at 1mm increments. I used combineZP to stack images then cropped. I did no PP. C&C please. I need help.
I enlarged your composite image. It appears to me, that the top of your spider is not in focus.

One way to assure focus, is to start your millimeter increments ABOVE spider, then work your increments through spider. I suspect that if you had seven (7) separate 1-mm increments, you would have total sharpness.

Below is a chart showing focal resolution for different f-stops of a Nikkor 105D lens. You might consider f/8 or f/5.6 for optimal focus.

Also, use at least a 1-second delay for exposure, so you can eliminate mirror-caused sensor vibration in camera.
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Thanks again for being available to help. The MTF chart is a real eye opener. I'll do another series @ f5.6 & use the delay. If I use Liveview, does the mirror stay up or is it better to use the delay? Thanks so much for your for your time & help.

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