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Nov 15, 2014 16:45:28   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Don't dismiss the m4/3 sensor. At least compare an em1 or em10. The body is only half of your decision. The other half is the lenses. m4/3's lenses are stellar and much smaller overal than fuji and Sony.


And plenty of lenses to choose from, here is one listing:
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/lense.html

And here's another one:
http://hazeghi.org/mft-lenses.html

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Nov 15, 2014 16:45:50   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
mtparker wrote:
It is a rather general statement and I stand by it. There are some very good systems out there but none have the selection of bodies and lenses that the better DSLR systems have.

I know too many pros and experienced shooters who have gone to mirrorless and later back to DSLRs. I'm not ready to commit.


Untrue...another overly generalized statement about lenses.

I know plenty of pros who have went mirrorless and didn't go back.

Now what?

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Nov 15, 2014 16:55:27   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
minniev wrote:
Though I don't have either of those brands, I am a mirrorless user who did a bunch of research before going with m43. I encourage you to study the lenses for each system you're considering and try to handle the camera before deciding. How a camera looks on paper is different from how it feels in hand. The size, variety, quality and price of lenses is very important as well.


And that's the key: "and try to handle the camera before deciding" - go to a well-stocked camera shop with a list of the cameras you've researched, and a list of the questions you may have. Handle the cameras. Ask questions about them. Take a memory card with you and ask if you can take some pictures in the store.
If there is no camera shop near where you live, make it a day- or weekend trip (after you have ascertained the opening times of the shop).
You wouldn't go to a men's wear store and buy a suit of clothing without trying it on, would you?

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Nov 15, 2014 17:07:23   #
mtparker Loc: Cape Charles & Springfield, Virginia
 
rpavich wrote:
Untrue...another overly generalized statement about lenses.

I know plenty of pros who have went mirrorless and didn't go back.

Now what?


I never said there aren't any pros I know using mirrorless. I said I know a fair number (from around my area) who have returned to DSLR systems. Each had his/her own reasons and I pay attention to their concerns because I know them and their work.

What I am saying to the forum is that I am simply not convinced that a mirrorless system is for me just yet. No more, no less.

My apologies if I've intruded here. This thread IS about comparing mirrorless systems and I recognize that I did not add much.

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Nov 15, 2014 23:09:28   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
dkeysser wrote:
I want to pick a new system, mirror-less, interchangeable lenses, best possible image quality, mostly for nature and landscape (travel), and some photo-journalism. I am down to the Samsung NEX300 and the Fuji Pro-X1. Both have APS-C sensors (should be better than MFT?) and interchangeable lenses. If you ignore the price difference, what do you think?

I'd make sure to use the EVF before making a decision; they greatly differ in quality!! Of course that won't be your only consideration, but that will be your regular connection to your new companion.
From what I've seen, the EVF on the A6000 is by far the best.

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Nov 15, 2014 23:24:37   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
mtparker wrote:
I'm not convinced that mirrorless systems are ROBUSTenough for many experienced DSLR users to commit just now.


I am not sure you are 100% correct. This is my EM-1 - while on this walk, I had to break the ice while zooming several times and no issues at all. (You may also want to see the Ming Thein blog about his EM-1 where he set it in the shower and let hot water run on it for 30 minutes)

Freezing temperatures by savingspaces33, on Flickr

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Nov 15, 2014 23:31:09   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
mtparker wrote:
It is a rather general statement and I stand by it. There are some very good systems out there but none have the selection of bodies and lenses that the better DSLR systems have.

I know too many pros and experienced shooters who have gone to mirrorless and later back to DSLRs. I'm not ready to commit.


I see a lot of Pros selling their DSLRs and going Mirrorless/M4/3

Don't discount mirrorless if you haven't tried it,

But this is about the OP not you and me.

EM-1 12-40

Trillium Lake by savingspaces33, on Flickr

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Nov 15, 2014 23:31:13   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
tdekany wrote:
I am not sure you are 100% correct. This is my EM-1 - while on this walk, I had to break the ice while zooming several times and no issues at all. (You may also want to see the Ming Thein blog about his EM-1 where he set it in the shower and let hot water run on it for 30 minutes)



I bet it sure melted the snow off of it.

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Nov 15, 2014 23:33:09   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
SonnyE wrote:
I bet it sure melted the snow off of it.


I just left it on a towel in the kitchen and let the temperature melt the snow/ice off. :-D

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Nov 15, 2014 23:43:25   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Fujifilm has a long history in the photography business. I own and use the Fujifilm X-E2, a mirrorless camera, and find it a remarkable camera, an advance in camera-making. Made of metal, it feels and looks more like an instrument. Its image quality takes on an almost eerie quality for its trueness to the scene. It can apply Fujifilm film looks in camera, and Adobe Camera Raw can apply them, too.

I suggest you rent to try before you buy a mirrorless camera.

www.lensrentals.com

www.borrowlenses.com

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Nov 16, 2014 06:44:16   #
JPL
 
dkeysser wrote:
I want to pick a new system, mirror-less, interchangeable lenses, best possible image quality, mostly for nature and landscape (travel), and some photo-journalism. I am down to the Samsung NEX300 and the Fuji Pro-X1. Both have APS-C sensors (should be better than MFT?) and interchangeable lenses. If you ignore the price difference, what do you think?


There are many good mirrorless systems, I have one of them, the Nikon 1. But that is not the best system when it comes to image quality. If that is important I think there is only one camera to choose, the Sony A7R. That is a mirrorless camera with full frame 36 mpx. sensor. Although I am not familiar with all the mirrorless systems available today this must be the best system, by far, when it comes to image quality.

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Nov 16, 2014 07:02:16   #
Beagleman Loc: Indiana
 
In my opinion the Fuji X-E2 and the Sony A6000 are the two best small, aps-C sensor mirrorless cameras. Check them out.

--Beagleman

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Nov 16, 2014 07:04:12   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
dkeysser wrote:
I want to pick a new system, mirror-less, interchangeable lenses, best possible image quality, mostly for nature and landscape (travel), and some photo-journalism. I am down to the Samsung NEX300 and the Fuji Pro-X1. Both have APS-C sensors (should be better than MFT?) and interchangeable lenses. If you ignore the price difference, what do you think?

If you haven't looked yet, go to snapsort.com and dpreview.com and do comparisons of cameras. if I were you, I would concentrate on the features you might want, like GPS, Wi-Fi, tilting LCD, etc. Also, see what controls they have and where they're located. You don't want to be going into the Menu every time you want to make a change. What ever camera you buy, it will take good pictures.

Here's a link I posted yesterday.

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-cockpit-of-the-sr-71-blackbird-is-still-a-futuristi-1659105208

Also, Trey Ratcliff switched.

http://www.stuckincustoms.com/2013/07/04/sony-nex-review-nikon-vs/

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Nov 16, 2014 07:24:46   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Look at Steve Huff's site.

Also, for what you want to do why not go rangefinder? I would look at the Sony 6000 and the fuji XE2.

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Nov 16, 2014 07:42:21   #
JCGammack Loc: Hayesville, Iowa
 
mtparker wrote:
It is a rather general statement and I stand by it. There are some very good systems out there but none have the selection of bodies and lenses that the better DSLR systems have.

I know too many pros and experienced shooters who have gone to mirrorless and later back to DSLRs. I'm not ready to commit.


I have said before that the mirrorless format will not replace the DSLR. But at the same time the DSLR will not stop the mirrorless format from expanding.
The advent of the SLR did not mean the end of the rangefinder back in the day. I'll bet that the "pros" you are referring to did not trash their mirrorless equipment, instead they use it when it is best.

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