Does God exist??
Aug 23, 2014 20:39:31 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Wrong again Bangee. If man is evil and God created man, then God created evil. You cannot create something that is evil and then say you did not create evil. Evil is not something that is created. It is the opposite of that which is Holy. Just as darkness is the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat. Man has free will so yes, man has the capacity for evil but it is not something that God created.
God knows everything, so when he creates an evil man, he knows that he is creating evil. Simple logic Bangee. Go back to your electrician and tell him you have another broken wire in your head.
And again, Bangee, not all men have free will. So, maybe that is two broken wires you need to report.
Aug 23, 2014 20:56:42 #
James Shaw wrote:
Wrong again Bangee. If man is evil and God created man, then God created evil. You cannot create something that is evil and then say you did not create evil.
God knows everything, so when he creates an evil man, he knows that he is creating evil. Simple logic Bangee. Go back to your electrician and tell him you have another broken wire in your head.
And again, Bangee, not all men have free will. So, maybe that is two broken wires you need to report.
God knows everything, so when he creates an evil man, he knows that he is creating evil. Simple logic Bangee. Go back to your electrician and tell him you have another broken wire in your head.
And again, Bangee, not all men have free will. So, maybe that is two broken wires you need to report.
Cute... Your actions can be evil but you can not create evil. You can be an evil man by your actions only. I have come to the conclusion that all men have free will except for you, since you haven't a clue as to what free will truly is.
Aug 23, 2014 21:00:16 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Cute... Your actions can be evil but you can not create evil. You can be an evil man by your actions only. I have come to the conclusion that all men have free will except for you, since you haven't a clue as to what free will truly is.
But you could create the capacity for evil. If god created everything then that must include the capacity for evil, surely. Why would a benevolent god do that? (Not saying I believe that such a thing exists, of course, but I'm struggling to see how you reconcile this, given that you do)
Aug 23, 2014 21:02:54 #
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James Shaw wrote:
Wrong again Bangee. If man is evil and God created man, then God created evil. You cannot create something that is evil and then say you did not create evil.
God knows everything, so when he creates an evil man, he knows that he is creating evil. Simple logic Bangee. Go back to your electrician and tell him you have another broken wire in your head.
And again, Bangee, not all men have free will. So, maybe that is two broken wires you need to report.
Wrong again Bangee. If man is evil and God created man, then God created evil. You cannot create something that is evil and then say you did not create evil.
God knows everything, so when he creates an evil man, he knows that he is creating evil. Simple logic Bangee. Go back to your electrician and tell him you have another broken wire in your head.
And again, Bangee, not all men have free will. So, maybe that is two broken wires you need to report.
Bangee5 wrote:
Cute... Your actions can be evil but you can not create evil. You can be an evil man by your actions only. I have come to the conclusion that all men have free will except for you, since you haven't a clue as to what free will truly is.
Your conclusions are as meaningless and nonsensical as your assertions. You plain and simple do not know how confused you come across.
Aug 23, 2014 21:56:17 #
James Shaw wrote:
Your conclusions are as meaningless and nonsensical as your assertions. You plain and simple do not know how confused you come across.
James, the same can be said of you. Your argument is pointless and your conclusions are wrong. Anyone with a dictionary and good language skills can understand the concept and the meaning behind the words Free Will and this from a man who does not believe in God. You just refuse to reason even with yourself.
A point to consider offered by someone else. Ask someone who does not speak or understand your language if they would like to accept Jesus as savior and you would get the same reaction as some one who was mentally ill or better yet, ask a new born baby - Duh! Of course they would not know what you mean. They have no concept of what in the world you are talking about.
You can not stand behind the mentally ill as an excuse that all men don't have free will. Anyone that has enough common sense to make a decision has free will. Your problem is that you want to bound God by your rules. You refuse to accept the fact that God would not hold the mentally ill accountable no more than he would hold a baby accountable. Since you don't believe in God, what difference does it matter to you if man has free with or not?
Aug 23, 2014 22:40:29 #
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James Shaw wrote:
Your conclusions are as meaningless and nonsensical as your assertions. You plain and simple do not know how confused you come across.
Your conclusions are as meaningless and nonsensical as your assertions. You plain and simple do not know how confused you come across.
Bangee5 wrote:
James, the same can be said of you. Your argument ... (show quote)
Your assumptions above, and there are many, should be included in my list above, so that now it should read, "Your conclusions and assumptions are as meaningless and nonsensical as your assertions.
Men are born with good and bad (evil) capacities and some are born with mental illness or mental illness is acquire at a later time. To equate choice of Jesus Christ or anyone else as a savior to get into heaven or to refute a Savior to get into hell is just a story, a ridiculous story, one intended to scare people into believing as another believes. An all loving God, should one exist, will love all his creations, despite what the Bible purports and what Christians believe.
Aug 24, 2014 00:35:11 #
Bazamac wrote:
But you could create the capacity for evil. If god created everything then that must include the capacity for evil, surely. Why would a benevolent god do that? (Not saying I believe that such a thing exists, of course, but I'm struggling to see how you reconcile this, given that you do)
And I am struggling to understand why anyone would want to argue about God when they don't believe he even exist. How does one create the capacity for evil?
God is Holy. He can not be tempted to do evil. He can not be tempted by evil and no, he did not create evil. He wants us to be Holy as he is Holy and this can only be done by accepting Jesus who covers our sins.
Aug 24, 2014 00:51:03 #
VBangee5: Evil is not something that is created. It is the opposite of that which is Holy. Just as darkness is the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat. Man has free will so yes, man has the capacity for evil but it is not something that God created.
Nagy: This is an outright lie. If god did not build the capacity for evil into his creatures there would be no evil. he could have done anything he wanted, but chose to create evil to make things more fun. You are an example of it at work; your evil is violation of the Catholic 8th and the Protestant 9th Commandment.
Nagy: This is an outright lie. If god did not build the capacity for evil into his creatures there would be no evil. he could have done anything he wanted, but chose to create evil to make things more fun. You are an example of it at work; your evil is violation of the Catholic 8th and the Protestant 9th Commandment.
Aug 24, 2014 00:52:23 #
James Shaw: Wrong again Bangee. If man is evil and God created man, then God created evil. You cannot create something that is evil and then say you did not create evil.
Nagy: You are wrong, Mr. Shaw. Bangee5 can indeed do exactly that. It is called lying.
Nagy: You are wrong, Mr. Shaw. Bangee5 can indeed do exactly that. It is called lying.
Aug 24, 2014 00:55:43 #
Bangee5: Cute... Your actions can be evil but you can not create evil. You can be an evil man by your actions only. I have come to the conclusion that all men have free will except for you, since you haven't a clue as to what free will truly is.
Nagy: Your assumption is that there can be no free will if there is no capacity for evil. Ergo, there is no free will in the choice between a career as a rescue worker and a teacher. Only if evil is involved is it exercise of free will. Bangee5 will twist, distort, and outright lie in order to preserve the pretense that he and his ridiculous arguments have not been blown out of the water.
Nagy: Your assumption is that there can be no free will if there is no capacity for evil. Ergo, there is no free will in the choice between a career as a rescue worker and a teacher. Only if evil is involved is it exercise of free will. Bangee5 will twist, distort, and outright lie in order to preserve the pretense that he and his ridiculous arguments have not been blown out of the water.
Aug 24, 2014 00:58:48 #
Bangee5: And I am struggling to understand why anyone would want to argue about God when they don't believe he even exist.
Nagy: Must be for the same reason that all you right wing religious nuts argue against evolution.
Bangee5a: How does one create the capacity for evil?
Nagy: Ask Yahweh, who had to create it, since he created everything, and evil does exist.
Nagy: Must be for the same reason that all you right wing religious nuts argue against evolution.
Bangee5a: How does one create the capacity for evil?
Nagy: Ask Yahweh, who had to create it, since he created everything, and evil does exist.
Aug 24, 2014 10:42:18 #
Bangee5 wrote:
And I am struggling to understand why anyone would want to argue about God when they don't believe he even exist. How does one create the capacity for evil?
God is Holy. He can not be tempted to do evil. He can not be tempted by evil and no, he did not create evil. He wants us to be Holy as he is Holy and this can only be done by accepting Jesus who covers our sins.
God is Holy. He can not be tempted to do evil. He can not be tempted by evil and no, he did not create evil. He wants us to be Holy as he is Holy and this can only be done by accepting Jesus who covers our sins.
Perhaps Bangee, you struggle because you cannot accept the fact that all others have not swallowed what appears to be choking you.
Aug 24, 2014 14:55:19 #
James Shaw: Wrong again Bangee. If man is evil and God created man, then God created evil. You cannot create something that is evil and then say you did not create evil. God knows everything, so when he creates an evil man, he knows that he is creating evil. Simple logic Bangee. Go back to your electrician and tell him you have another broken wire in your head. And again, Bangee, not all men have free will. So, maybe that is two broken wires you need to report.
Nagy: This is incontrovertible logic, therefore Bangee5 will fight it tooth and nail.
Nagy: This is incontrovertible logic, therefore Bangee5 will fight it tooth and nail.
Aug 24, 2014 15:13:03 #
PNagy wrote:
jaygreen55: I had a client who was a holocaust sur... (show quote)
This is complicated. Yes, God created everything including man in His own image. Man is a co-creator with God. Evil exist only as an imagined creation of our (man's) beliefs that it must exist as an opposite of good. As we believe we "see". Sadly, we are very good at seeing evil. Okay, now the boos can begin.
Aug 24, 2014 17:16:57 #
mwalsh wrote:
But how can you know its a He ?
God isn't a He but man has to label the male gender onto someone they choose to call Father. Then there are those who will spout the Old Testament where God supposedly tells His Son that "they" will make man in their image so this again implies God is a male He. Of course that also means that woman is not in their image unless God was talking to a female such as the Mother of Nature instead of a son. But Christianity can't abide by that idea. In my view, using genders for labeling spiritual entities doesn't make sense because spiritual entities don't have physical bodies. God can be the universal source of everything and all knowledge that man then twists into evil without having a gender.
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