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Mar 13, 2014 09:55:04   #
Picdude
 
izzyandal wrote:
Hey there SB. It's good to hear a calm and considered opinion.
I, too, have a small arsenal...multiple handguns, plus several rifles and shotguns.
I'm annoyed at the hysteria about the men with blue helmets in black helicopters coming to pry the guns from my hands.

The political right and the NRA want us to be in fear of confiscation.

Saddest is how my NRA has evolved from being an educational entity to being an echo of Rush Limbaugh.

I'm eighty and became a junior member when I bought my first rifle at eleven years old. I belong to three guns clubs shoot, at least once per week and reload all my ammo, except for .22LR.

I'm certain that I'm going to get coals of fire heaped on my bald head by some T party fanatics and true believers Bring it on. I'm a former Army officer and love my country as much as the draft-dodging guy that should be dead or in jail...his words...not mine
Hey there SB. It's good to hear a calm and consid... (show quote)


Right on :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 13, 2014 10:25:09   #
Blaster6
 
sb wrote:
As a primary care physician, when I do a well child visit, especially with a young child with young parents, we talk about safety issues in the home - this includes cabinet locks, safety caps, swimming pools, car safety seats, pets, and yes - weapons in the home,


I will gladly pay you for your medical advice because you are an expert in that area.

My military and law enforcement background makes me an expert in different areas and I do not need any advice on these subjects.

If you want to discuss guns I will simply tell you I don't have any. There is no way I am going to have anything in my medical records that I don't want the government to know about. As we move toward socialized medicine and the IRS soon having access to all our medical information we all need to be prepared for the day this information is collected in the interest of "national security".

Ask anything you want. I'll give answers I feel are appropriate.

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Mar 13, 2014 12:43:23   #
imntrt1
 
sb wrote:
This is another example of a purposeful misinterpretation of reality by Fox and others for purely political purposes - much like rational (and optional) end-of-life planning with patients has been called "death panels". Florida even went so far as to try to make it illegal for physicians to inquire about weapons in the home. No one is suggesting that "doctors grill you on gun ownership".

As a primary care physician, when I do a well child visit, especially with a young child with young parents, we talk about safety issues in the home - this includes cabinet locks, safety caps, swimming pools, car safety seats, pets, and yes - weapons in the home, and if so, we discuss the safe storage of those weapons. This has absolutely nothing to do with being judgmental or trying to take anyone's weapons away - I have my own small arsenal and a CCW permit which I use. It is all about keeping children from getting unauthorized and unsupervised access to very deadly tools. It is about preventing a tragedy. I also ask suicidal patients if they have handguns at home, and if they do, I suggest that they have a friend or relative hold on to them until they are feeling better - the presence of a handgun making suicide so much easier. Even Abraham Lincoln's friends took his weapons from him on several occasions when he was suffering from depression, according to the book "Lincoln's Melancholy". All this has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment, but has to do with common sense. So let's all show some common sense when we discuss the issues around weapons.
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Okay, I buy your purpose in those questions....Now, how about me....I recently changed primary care physicians...Of course when I went to the office of the new one he had a medical history form to complete. In the questions, early on, was a question about family members living in the home and their ages.......near the end of the document there was a question....Are there any firearms in your home? If yes, what type? What is your reason for owning firearms? Okay, now there was no mention or question about how I had them stored or secured. I live alone and all my kids are grown and moved away. Which was noted earlier in the questions. Why the hell does a doctor need to know about my guns when there is clearly no issue regarding the safety of kids in my home?

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Mar 13, 2014 12:50:23   #
izzyandal
 
Here in South Carolina my civilian doctor and my VA doctor don't ask me about gun ownership .
You have no obligation to answer questions about guns.

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Mar 13, 2014 13:01:15   #
chrisscholbe
 
imntrt1 wrote:
Okay, I buy your purpose in those questions....Now, how about me....I recently changed primary care physicians...Of course when I went to the office of the new one he had a medical history form to complete. In the questions, early on, was a question about family members living in the home and their ages.......near the end of the document there was a question....Are there any firearms in your home? If yes, what type? What is your reason for owning firearms? Okay, now there was no mention or question about how I had them stored or secured. I live alone and all my kids are grown and moved away. Which was noted earlier in the questions. Why the hell does a doctor need to know about my guns when there is clearly no issue regarding the safety of kids in my home?
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I've never had a doctor ask me about guns.

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Mar 13, 2014 13:13:05   #
imntrt1
 
izzyandal wrote:
Here in South Carolina my civilian doctor and my VA doctor don't ask me about gun ownership .
You have no obligation to answer questions about guns.


Well, this doctor...whom I do like....did not get a straight answer from me....My Business is my business I feel. I was honest on health related questions and that is what SHOULD matter.

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Mar 13, 2014 16:35:48   #
bcheary
 
sb wrote:
This is another example of a purposeful misinterpretation of reality by Fox and others for purely political purposes - much like rational (and optional) end-of-life planning with patients has been called "death panels". Florida even went so far as to try to make it illegal for physicians to inquire about weapons in the home. No one is suggesting that "doctors grill you on gun ownership".

As a primary care physician, when I do a well child visit, especially with a young child with young parents, we talk about safety issues in the home - this includes cabinet locks, safety caps, swimming pools, car safety seats, pets, and yes - weapons in the home, and if so, we discuss the safe storage of those weapons. This has absolutely nothing to do with being judgmental or trying to take anyone's weapons away - I have my own small arsenal and a CCW permit which I use. It is all about keeping children from getting unauthorized and unsupervised access to very deadly tools. It is about preventing a tragedy. I also ask suicidal patients if they have handguns at home, and if they do, I suggest that they have a friend or relative hold on to them until they are feeling better - the presence of a handgun making suicide so much easier. Even Abraham Lincoln's friends took his weapons from him on several occasions when he was suffering from depression, according to the book "Lincoln's Melancholy". All this has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment, but has to do with common sense. So let's all show some common sense when we discuss the issues around weapons.
This is another example of a purposeful misinterpr... (show quote)


I understand your reasoning but beg to differ with a couple of exceptions. In my opinion, I don't think that it is any business of a doctor to know what I have in my house. Who knows where this information will be used by anti 2nd amendment nuts now or in the future. The exceptions, if you are indeed treating a suicidal patient or where domestic violence is involved which is more of a police matter than a doctor's.

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Mar 13, 2014 16:47:48   #
bvm
 
izzyandal wrote:
My heart goes out to you and your family. May the gentle Jesus give you comfort.

Please have respect for those who are not Republicans and who differ in opinion from you.
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*****Why, what democrat has stood up and bucked the lies of their fellow democrats?
The DNC is ruled by every type of subversive you can name, no mater how small, their power is unbelievable.
They control the slums of every major city in the U.S. since the early 1900's
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Labeling democrats as those who want to take away our guns is silly .

******So, you've got the liar BO, Eric Holder, IRS, CIA, NSA, Schumer, Ried, Pelosi, et al.
Silly my derriere, YOU Sir are naive!
You are so used to being told by the government types above you How to do it , when to do it and what color!
And YOU have the nerve to spout that the TEA party is dangerous.
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Good natured kidding is one thing I get at my gun clubs, but my fellow gun lovers are polite,in their comments.

***** That's because you've got a gun and know you're a little fuzzy.
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I took one for the team and my battle scars are my credentials .
******So did 10's of thousands of others.
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Mister Cheney and his lies got too many of our kids killed and wounded.
****** How about LBJ's war? Oh, you forgot!
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Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple and the war profiteers are worse than any usurers.

***** And BO said "NO MORE LOBBYISTS" in the WH so he hired most them as government employees in every department.
Talk about money changers!

May you and your family be comforted in the terrible grief of losing a child.

Sincerely,
Al
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Mar 13, 2014 17:11:48   #
Michael Hartley
 
izzyandal wrote:
Michael,
What are you talking about ?
I'm not aware of any restrictions about the number of guns that I own.

The NRA has nothing to do with my ability to have as many as I can afford.

Keep in mind, before you attack me, that I am a target shooting enthusiast and not an antigun person.

Dry your tears and enjoy safe shooting. It is a handful but vocal group like Mayor Bumbleberg that will run in circles, scream and shout about our hobby.

My respect and regards


No Sir, Mr.Izzy, no attack implied. Not saying the NRA gives you rights for anything, the 2nd does that. Just stating the fact that the NRA, and their(our) dollars, have been placed in the appropriate hands, to keep our right to own guns alive, and well, mostly. If the dollars weren't involved, I feel pretty sure, our rights would no longer exist.

I'm not crazy about the way the NRA has become, but someone has to keep the 'powers that be' in check, and these days, sadly, it takes more than just a vote.

My respect, and regards to you too, sir.

Heading out back to shoot some.

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Mar 13, 2014 17:23:36   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter (a regular here)
 
bcheary wrote:
I understand your reasoning but beg to differ with a couple of exceptions. In my opinion, I don't think that it is any business of a doctor to know what I have in my house. Who knows where this information will be used by anti 2nd amendment nuts now or in the future. The exceptions, if you are indeed treating a suicidal patient or where domestic violence is involved which is more of a police matter than a doctor's.


Historically, registration (or in this case inclusion in a database) is a necessary precursor to confiscation.

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Mar 13, 2014 17:35:39   #
bcheary
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Historically, registration (or in this case inclusion in a database) is a necessary precursor to confiscation.


Yup. Hitler proved that as did the Russians.

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Mar 13, 2014 18:13:29   #
bvm
 
bcheary wrote:
Yup. Hitler proved that as did the Russians.


most murders and crimes are committed by people who wouldn't register any weapon.

Do you think those gang bangers register their guns or buy them legally?

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Mar 13, 2014 18:55:23   #
bcheary
 
bvm wrote:
most murders and crimes are committed by people who wouldn't register any weapon.

Do you think those gang bangers register their guns or buy them legally?


Which makes a mockery of gun registration.

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Mar 13, 2014 19:24:00   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter (a regular here)
 
bvm wrote:
most murders and crimes are committed by people who wouldn't register any weapon.
Do you think those gang bangers register their guns or buy them legally?


Ugh, nope, they don't. Anti-gun owner laws tend to disarm the most law-abiding and obedient members of society.

Historical trivia: until a short term before WWII Germany actually had pretty liberal gun owner laws. Anti-gun laws including registration were then passed, but enforced selectively against Jews. The night of looting, beating, murder, rape, and other atrocities against Jews, so-called "Kristallnicht" began as raids to seize guns from Jews.

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Mar 13, 2014 19:54:23   #
Zophman
 
Guns...what guns? I don't know anything about guns!

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