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Mar 10, 2014 13:22:39   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Bazbo wrote:
The post was not about Obama. So the best you can do is try to change the subject? Isn't that a tacit admission that you have nothing relevant to say on this topic?

Start your own thread if you want to rant about something and let others attack your ideas. That's what I did.

But you have neither the intellectual honesty nor the courage to do something like that.

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There is enough of you types, to keep people busy refuting
your asinine points of view.

You have joined the cadre of the misguided and have made a saint or god out of BO.

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Mar 10, 2014 15:10:04   #
Fred in Boise Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Well written, but short on analysis and insight.

Also, just a tiny bit self serving....don't you think?

Foolish people with power of all persuasions disgust me.

and oh, btw,....I AM an Historian.

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Mar 10, 2014 16:12:54   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
ted45 wrote:
The point of your post is that you get another opportunity to slam the "right" as you refer to them.


As far as your plagiarism is concerned; it is documented here:

http://bigdogdancer.com/2014/03/06/the-religious-right-and-the-corruption-of-christianity/

The web site is registered to:
Lawrence Abel
567 Kenwyn Road
Oakland, California 94610
United States

Phone: 510625****

Would that be you?

Your local elementary school can provide a writing course that will get you past the need to insult and provide useful information instead.
The point of your post is that you get another opp... (show quote)


Well true detective, you have discovered my blog. I am plagiarizing myself. So you have now proven your own idiotic accusations quite false.

Now coward, why don't you reveal your true identity?

Btw, if you or any of your hateful pals misuse this information in any way, then you will have to take up a collection for legal defense

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Mar 10, 2014 17:08:36   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Bazbo wrote:
Well true detective, you have discovered my blog. I am plagiarizing myself. So you have now proven your own idiotic accusations quite false.

Now coward, why don't you reveal your true identity?

Btw, if you or any of your hateful pals misuse this information in any way, then you will have to take up a collection for legal defense


Kind of interesting that you proudly take credit for this drivel on UHH but do not take credit on the blog. Since the style doesn't match your posts I still doubt that you wrote it. Your need to belittle and use childish names indicates a lack of intelligence.

As far as your threat goes, can it. I am not a lib so I really don't care what you do. You may want to talk to your lawyer about threating people for accessing public information. You made the challenge.

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Mar 10, 2014 17:20:31   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
ted45 wrote:
Kind of interesting that you proudly take credit for this drivel on UHH but do not take credit on the blog. Since the style doesn't match your posts I still doubt that you wrote it. Your need to belittle and use childish names indicates a lack of intelligence.

As far as your threat goes, can it. I am not a lib so I really don't care what you do. You may want to talk to your lawyer about threating people for accessing public information. You made the challenge.


I have been explicitly threatened by people on this site. You have now enabled them by your actions (you may want to check the TOS of UHH).

There is no threat as long as there is no misuse. If there is misuse, then you will get to know my legal counsel soon enough. You will be responsible for any detrimental actions taken by the persons here who's only response to me is to threaten me. You have unwittingly exposed your self to a wide range of civil action. I have consulted legal counsel. Maybe you should do the same.

Or not. I really don't care.

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Mar 10, 2014 19:12:58   #
erbPIX Loc: Greater New York City area
 
Bazbo wrote:
“My concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.”
&#8213; Abraham Lincoln

The dangers of religion corrupting politics was well-known by our Founding Fathers. Although six generations removed from the first English settlements in the New World, they knew that the early colonists, fleeing religious persecution in Europe, lost no time in establishing their own form of religious persecution once they ran things. A form of persecution that was, in some ways, more oppressive, bizarre and cruel that the persecution that drove them to the New World. In the Massachusetts Bay Colony, the punishment for having a different point of view (religious or otherwise) could result in painful, public and humiliating punishment. In extreme cases, one could be tied to a pole and burned alive.

Hence the Establishment Clause of our Constitution which forbids an official State religion, and outlaws any proscriptive religious test to hold public office. Of course. The Tea Party extremists who are outraged because they believe President Obama is a Muslim have not read this part of the Constitution that they claim to love so passionately. Regardless of the Religious Right’s constant bleating about how this country was founded on “Christian” principles, nothing could be further from the truth. Our country’s Constitution is more a product of the intellectual elite of the day trying to apply some fundamental ideas of the Enlightenment than it was Jesus writing the founding documents through the hands of the Founders.

Since the day’s of the Reagan administration, we have seen the corruption flow the other way. Right wing politics is corrupting religion in general and Evangelical Christianity in particular. There has always been this corruption of course. The Ku Klux Klan has always claimed to be a Christian organization, for example. http://www.kkk.com



Jesus saves, but the Klan kills.

But this trend is accelerating at an alarming rate in the modern era. The hate-filled ranting of the Evangelical right bears resemblance to neither the Christianity of my youth, nor the Christian ideals that I was taught.

Let’s start with the Conservative Bible. http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
It turns out, the Bible that has been the single source of truth for Christians for over a thousand years, and has been defended as the infallible Word of Good by the faithful, especially Evangelicals, turns out is a deeply flawed document—wrong in many ways, but in particular, it is just too damn liberal for today’s conservatives.

The idea is to make the Good Book more palatable to today’s conservatives. For example, they change Jesus saying “Blessed are the meek” to Jesus saying “Blessed are the God fearing”. “Meek” does not sit well with today’s chest thumping Christian Right. They have taken the passage describing the women about to be stoned for adultery out altogether, because the admonishment of Jesus to let the person without sin cast the first stone is just to squishy and liberal for today’s blustering, he-man conservatives. When Jesus says “Peace be with you”, it is rewritten as “Peace of mind be with you”. Jesus was certainly no liberal pacifist. No sir! The list of conservative revisions goes on and on. http://www.alternet.org/belief/right-wing-group-seeks-help-rewriting-bible-because-its-not-conservative-enough

These revisions are not based on any knowledge of ancient Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. Nor are they based on any genuine scholarship of the original texts. The only purpose of these modern day revisions is to take out the annoying liberal slant of the Bible we have all used for over a thousand years. The surprising thing is that these non-scholarly revisions have not provoked howling outrage from the Evangelicals, who after all, claim that the Bible, particularly the King James version, is infallible and perfect as written. But as we know, right wing politics trumps religious faith.

Now that the Evangelicals are peeing in their pants in outrage because Arizona will not implement a law that out would allow them “religious” exemption from civil statutes that bar discrimination against fellow citizens, its time to step back and examine this issue in some detail.

They love to trot out the old Leviticus warhorse about homosexuality being an abomination, even as they sit down for Easter dinner to gorge themselves on ham (also a Leviticus abomination). There are many evils in the Old Testament that would not be tolerated in a pluralistic and free society: genocide, polygamy, slavery, and the slaughter of perfectly innocent people, to name just a few. There are even rules about infanticide.

Fun fact: the one rule you expect on infanticide—don’t do it!—is not in the rule book.

When I ask Evangelicals about this, their standard response is that we have a New Testament, Praise Jesus! This frees us from all of the Old Testament rules and replaces them with a message of love, forgiveness and eternal life.

Except for that one tiny part of Leviticus, which seems to remain in full force and effect. This is a circle that cannot be squared and they do not even try. But no matter. Evangelicals are quite accustomed to turning a blind eye to their own flabbergasting inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Yet another example of how their political/social agenda corrupts the very message of love, forgiveness and eternal life that they say they advocate.

Another fun fact: Jesus was so perturbed by homosexuality that it is never mentioned in the entire New Testament. Yet these people are working overtime to deny American citizens equal rights and protection under the law. They are trying desperately to perfume the pig of bigotry with the nice odors of religious faith. But a pig is a pig—and it still smells now matter how much perfume they try to apply.

Then of course us their feverish attempt to rewrite history to conform to their social and political agenda. Here are but three examples:

Tom Delay proclaims that the Constitution was written by God. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Tom-DeLay-God-wrote-the-Constitution-5256148.php
Even the slavery parts I suppose. Maybe not the Establishment Clause. But if God is infallible, how do we explain the Amendments? Did God make a mistake in the original draft, and are the Amendments are just a rewrite? Or does Rev. Tom think that all the amendments should be repealed to bring it back in line with God’s original purpose? If one believes, as the Evangelical do, that the Divine is infallible, there are some thorny questions ahead.

The Christian right has convinced themselves that the Founders were fundamentalist Christians just like just like the fire and brimstone Baptists and snake-handling Pentecostals just down the street. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the Founders came from a variety of religious traditions, none of which even remotely resemble today’s Evangelicals. http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/02/the-us-founding-fathers-their-religious-beliefs/
Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Washington was pantheistic, to offer but three examples. During one difficult session during the drafting of the Constitution, some delegates suggested that the assembled stop to offer a prayer. Hamilton noted that he saw no reason to call for foreign aid. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/156154/Deism
The one thing that they all agreed on, however, is that religion is a private matter and the State should stay out of it. How else do you explain the Establishment Clause? Oh, right—this crowd has not read the that part of the Constitution.

Thoroughly discredited “historian” David Barton (he has no training as an historian. He does, however, have a B.A in Christian Education from Oral Roberts “University”) continues to push the strange idea that the Constitution is based on the Bible (why not? Tom Delay believes it was written by God—see above). Yet, the only mention of religion in the Constitution requires the State to stay out of it. Nothing he says or the “evidence” he provides has been validated by anyone who actually has been trained as a scholar or historian. In fact, these scholars and historians have debunked everything he has said on this topic.

Yet these myths and falsehoods persist, because this is what Evangelicals want to believe. They never let the truth get in the way of a either a good story or a warped ideology.
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Thank you for your thought-provoking essay.

Nothing like politics and religion. But religion is a corporate endeavor by whatever name. It’s spirituality – one’s direct relationship with God, taught by Christ – that is needed. That comes only from reading the Bible personally, specifically the Gospels, and then making up your own mind, not knee jerking to what someone with a Bible in one hand and a collection plate in the other tells you.

God did not write the Bible. It is not only not perfect, it is way off the rails at times. Just one example: Genesis 6:1-4 reads like something out of a Steven Spielberg movie. I’ve read several attempts to explain the Nephilim, and the longer they were, the worse it got. But, hey, those passages served their purpose in their time. What Jesus taught is timeless. Gross misinterpretations are not to be attributed to Him, as they so often are. Big shots have been using religion to control people throughout human history.

If your spirit is right with God through Christ, no one can control you in ways you know to be wrong, even unto death. I know whereof I speak. If God has a sense of humor, He must be laughing at all the nonsense we put ourselves through, when He’s not crying, that is.

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Mar 10, 2014 19:32:22   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Bazbo wrote:
I have been explicitly threatened by people on this site. You have now enabled them by your actions (you may want to check the TOS of UHH).

There is no threat as long as there is no misuse. If there is misuse, then you will get to know my legal counsel soon enough. You will be responsible for any detrimental actions taken by the persons here who's only response to me is to threaten me. You have unwittingly exposed your self to a wide range of civil action. I have consulted legal counsel. Maybe you should do the same.


Or not. I really don't care.
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Since the web site you call "your blog" does not say who published the articles the web site owner gets the credit. When I put up the name of the owner, obtained through public records, you could have taken the simple action of sending me a pm saying that the info is you and asking me to delete it. Instead you choose to be a condescending ass and further insult my intelligence. If you feel a need to go online and go out of your way to insult people then you suffer the consequences. Any six year old could have done what I did to obtain your information and I am certain any one with an inclination to do you damage will be able to find out what I did. You published your private information on line, not me. Any repercussions are of your creation. As far as you threats of legal action, knock yourself out. You are not the first ass I have run across and perhaps your lawyer can explain the concept of "judgment proof" to you. So waste your time, money and sanity trying to be a first class ass.

Your web site screams amateur so I doubt you have a full time attorney on call. Using copy and paste to grab a paragraph from one site and another while you paste them together is still plagiarism. Again, you brought it up. I simply said I doubted that you wrote the article.

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Mar 10, 2014 19:44:46   #
Fred in Boise Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Let's not get whiney or personal kiddos.

There's obviously some barely hidden anger/frustration agendas going on with a number of levels/people.

You know who you are. Please take your personal problems to the pshrink and not choke the Hog with them.

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Mar 10, 2014 19:58:09   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Despite what they may teach in American schools. The founding fathers, were not fleeing religious persecution. They were trying to set up a community where only puritanism would be tolerated.

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Mar 10, 2014 21:15:06   #
Zophman Loc: Northwest
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Despite what they may teach in American schools. The founding fathers, were not fleeing religious persecution. They were trying to set up a community where only puritanism would be tolerated.

What history records do you read? My recollection is the Pilgrims escaped the religious intollerence of England only to establish their own form of intollerence in "America". I also learned in my U. S. History classes the "founding fathers" refer to those find gentlemen who led the way to revolt against English rule of the colonies in the late 1700's. Their knowledge of history and the issues of a state religion led them to enforce the doctrine of the separation of church and state. I know you Brit's sometimes look at our revolution as current history but that might be due to the long history the U. K. has. We're just getting out of diapers compared to you guys!

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Mar 10, 2014 23:16:23   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Despite what they may teach in American schools. The founding fathers, were not fleeing religious persecution. They were trying to set up a community where only puritanism would be tolerated.


Wow :shock:

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Mar 10, 2014 23:30:45   #
Fred in Boise Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
ah, a Brit. That explains a lot. PTSD over the colonies partying ways still going around is it?

OK, that was a cheap shot.... :-)

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Mar 11, 2014 00:01:32   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Zophman wrote:
What history records do you read? My recollection is the Pilgrims escaped the religious intollerence of England only to establish their own form of intollerence in "America". I also learned in my U. S. History classes the "founding fathers" refer to those find gentlemen who led the way to revolt against English rule of the colonies in the late 1700's. Their knowledge of history and the issues of a state religion led them to enforce the doctrine of the separation of church and state. I know you Brit's sometimes look at our revolution as current history but that might be due to the long history the U. K. has. We're just getting out of diapers compared to you guys!
What history records do you read? My recollection... (show quote)

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Your statement is correct.
" Their knowledge of history and the issues of a state religion led them to enforce the doctrine of the separation of church and state. "

Religion and government went hand in hand upto that point in history.
They were against a " State religion".
They did not want it as part of or in a particular form to dominate the state and in Europe or for that matter the rest of the world.

However, they were not ANTI God nor did they deny God's existence.

Today we have a group of PC'ers who want to offend anyone who believes. They are so insecure that they don't even believe in themselves but want to make everyone miserable like themselves.

I don't care if a person believes or not, it's called choice.

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Mar 11, 2014 00:35:22   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
bvm wrote:
_______________________________________________

Your statement is correct.
" Their knowledge of history and the issues of a state religion led them to enforce the doctrine of the separation of church and state. "

Religion and government went hand in hand upto that point in history.
They were against a " State religion".
They did not want it as part of or in a particular form to dominate the state and in Europe or for that matter the rest of the world.

However, they were not ANTI God nor did they deny God's existence.

Today we have a group of PC'ers who want to offend anyone who believes. They are so insecure that they don't even believe in themselves but want to make everyone miserable like themselves.

I don't care if a person believes or not, it's called choice.
_______________________________________________ br... (show quote)


What I find so hard to understand is if they truly don't believe there is a God then why do they even care? It would be like getting all bent out of shape because someone believed in the tooth fairy, why not just chuckle and move on? It really doesn't matter does it?

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Mar 11, 2014 08:10:20   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Pepper wrote:
What I find so hard to understand is if they truly don't believe there is a God then why do they even care? It would be like getting all bent out of shape because someone believed in the tooth fairy, why not just chuckle and move on? It really doesn't matter does it?


The reason is, that there is so much hatred in the world, caused by arguing about who has the right version of who or what God is.

Now do you think we should speak out against this, or just look the other way and pass by on the other side of the road?

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