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Mar 9, 2014 20:15:01   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
“My concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.”
― Abraham Lincoln

The dangers of religion corrupting politics was well-known by our Founding Fathers. Although six generations removed from the first English settlements in the New World, they knew that the early colonists, fleeing religious persecution in Europe, lost no time in establishing their own form of religious persecution once they ran things. A form of persecution that was, in some ways, more oppressive, bizarre and cruel that the persecution that drove them to the New World. In the Massachusetts Bay Colony, the punishment for having a different point of view (religious or otherwise) could result in painful, public and humiliating punishment. In extreme cases, one could be tied to a pole and burned alive.

Hence the Establishment Clause of our Constitution which forbids an official State religion, and outlaws any proscriptive religious test to hold public office. Of course. The Tea Party extremists who are outraged because they believe President Obama is a Muslim have not read this part of the Constitution that they claim to love so passionately. Regardless of the Religious Right’s constant bleating about how this country was founded on “Christian” principles, nothing could be further from the truth. Our country’s Constitution is more a product of the intellectual elite of the day trying to apply some fundamental ideas of the Enlightenment than it was Jesus writing the founding documents through the hands of the Founders.

Since the day’s of the Reagan administration, we have seen the corruption flow the other way. Right wing politics is corrupting religion in general and Evangelical Christianity in particular. There has always been this corruption of course. The Ku Klux Klan has always claimed to be a Christian organization, for example. http://www.kkk.com



Jesus saves, but the Klan kills.

But this trend is accelerating at an alarming rate in the modern era. The hate-filled ranting of the Evangelical right bears resemblance to neither the Christianity of my youth, nor the Christian ideals that I was taught.

Let’s start with the Conservative Bible. http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
It turns out, the Bible that has been the single source of truth for Christians for over a thousand years, and has been defended as the infallible Word of Good by the faithful, especially Evangelicals, turns out is a deeply flawed document—wrong in many ways, but in particular, it is just too damn liberal for today’s conservatives.

The idea is to make the Good Book more palatable to today’s conservatives. For example, they change Jesus saying “Blessed are the meek” to Jesus saying “Blessed are the God fearing”. “Meek” does not sit well with today’s chest thumping Christian Right. They have taken the passage describing the women about to be stoned for adultery out altogether, because the admonishment of Jesus to let the person without sin cast the first stone is just to squishy and liberal for today’s blustering, he-man conservatives. When Jesus says “Peace be with you”, it is rewritten as “Peace of mind be with you”. Jesus was certainly no liberal pacifist. No sir! The list of conservative revisions goes on and on. http://www.alternet.org/belief/right-wing-group-seeks-help-rewriting-bible-because-its-not-conservative-enough

These revisions are not based on any knowledge of ancient Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. Nor are they based on any genuine scholarship of the original texts. The only purpose of these modern day revisions is to take out the annoying liberal slant of the Bible we have all used for over a thousand years. The surprising thing is that these non-scholarly revisions have not provoked howling outrage from the Evangelicals, who after all, claim that the Bible, particularly the King James version, is infallible and perfect as written. But as we know, right wing politics trumps religious faith.

Now that the Evangelicals are peeing in their pants in outrage because Arizona will not implement a law that out would allow them “religious” exemption from civil statutes that bar discrimination against fellow citizens, its time to step back and examine this issue in some detail.

They love to trot out the old Leviticus warhorse about homosexuality being an abomination, even as they sit down for Easter dinner to gorge themselves on ham (also a Leviticus abomination). There are many evils in the Old Testament that would not be tolerated in a pluralistic and free society: genocide, polygamy, slavery, and the slaughter of perfectly innocent people, to name just a few. There are even rules about infanticide.

Fun fact: the one rule you expect on infanticide—don’t do it!—is not in the rule book.

When I ask Evangelicals about this, their standard response is that we have a New Testament, Praise Jesus! This frees us from all of the Old Testament rules and replaces them with a message of love, forgiveness and eternal life.

Except for that one tiny part of Leviticus, which seems to remain in full force and effect. This is a circle that cannot be squared and they do not even try. But no matter. Evangelicals are quite accustomed to turning a blind eye to their own flabbergasting inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Yet another example of how their political/social agenda corrupts the very message of love, forgiveness and eternal life that they say they advocate.

Another fun fact: Jesus was so perturbed by homosexuality that it is never mentioned in the entire New Testament. Yet these people are working overtime to deny American citizens equal rights and protection under the law. They are trying desperately to perfume the pig of bigotry with the nice odors of religious faith. But a pig is a pig—and it still smells now matter how much perfume they try to apply.

Then of course us their feverish attempt to rewrite history to conform to their social and political agenda. Here are but three examples:

Tom Delay proclaims that the Constitution was written by God. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Tom-DeLay-God-wrote-the-Constitution-5256148.php
Even the slavery parts I suppose. Maybe not the Establishment Clause. But if God is infallible, how do we explain the Amendments? Did God make a mistake in the original draft, and are the Amendments are just a rewrite? Or does Rev. Tom think that all the amendments should be repealed to bring it back in line with God’s original purpose? If one believes, as the Evangelical do, that the Divine is infallible, there are some thorny questions ahead.

The Christian right has convinced themselves that the Founders were fundamentalist Christians just like just like the fire and brimstone Baptists and snake-handling Pentecostals just down the street. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the Founders came from a variety of religious traditions, none of which even remotely resemble today’s Evangelicals. http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/02/the-us-founding-fathers-their-religious-beliefs/
Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Washington was pantheistic, to offer but three examples. During one difficult session during the drafting of the Constitution, some delegates suggested that the assembled stop to offer a prayer. Hamilton noted that he saw no reason to call for foreign aid. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/156154/Deism
The one thing that they all agreed on, however, is that religion is a private matter and the State should stay out of it. How else do you explain the Establishment Clause? Oh, right—this crowd has not read the that part of the Constitution.

Thoroughly discredited “historian” David Barton (he has no training as an historian. He does, however, have a B.A in Christian Education from Oral Roberts “University”) continues to push the strange idea that the Constitution is based on the Bible (why not? Tom Delay believes it was written by God—see above). Yet, the only mention of religion in the Constitution requires the State to stay out of it. Nothing he says or the “evidence” he provides has been validated by anyone who actually has been trained as a scholar or historian. In fact, these scholars and historians have debunked everything he has said on this topic.

Yet these myths and falsehoods persist, because this is what Evangelicals want to believe. They never let the truth get in the way of a either a good story or a warped ideology.

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Mar 9, 2014 20:52:51   #
bygeorge Loc: Fl.<N.J.<Fl.
 
Thank you.

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Mar 9, 2014 21:13:34   #
Frapha Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
 
Bazbo wrote:
“My concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.”
&#8213; Abraham Lincoln

The dangers of religion corrupting politics was well-known by our Founding Fathers. Although six generations removed from the first English settlements in the New World, they knew that the early colonists, fleeing religious persecution in Europe, lost no time in establishing their own form of religious persecution once they ran things. A form of persecution that was, in some ways, more oppressive, bizarre and cruel that the persecution that drove them to the New World. In the Massachusetts Bay Colony, the punishment for having a different point of view (religious or otherwise) could result in painful, public and humiliating punishment. In extreme cases, one could be tied to a pole and burned alive.

Hence the Establishment Clause of our Constitution which forbids an official State religion, and outlaws any proscriptive religious test to hold public office. Of course. The Tea Party extremists who are outraged because they believe President Obama is a Muslim have not read this part of the Constitution that they claim to love so passionately. Regardless of the Religious Right’s constant bleating about how this country was founded on “Christian” principles, nothing could be further from the truth. Our country’s Constitution is more a product of the intellectual elite of the day trying to apply some fundamental ideas of the Enlightenment than it was Jesus writing the founding documents through the hands of the Founders.

Since the day’s of the Reagan administration, we have seen the corruption flow the other way. Right wing politics is corrupting religion in general and Evangelical Christianity in particular. There has always been this corruption of course. The Ku Klux Klan has always claimed to be a Christian organization, for example. http://www.kkk.com



Jesus saves, but the Klan kills.

But this trend is accelerating at an alarming rate in the modern era. The hate-filled ranting of the Evangelical right bears resemblance to neither the Christianity of my youth, nor the Christian ideals that I was taught.

Let’s start with the Conservative Bible. http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
It turns out, the Bible that has been the single source of truth for Christians for over a thousand years, and has been defended as the infallible Word of Good by the faithful, especially Evangelicals, turns out is a deeply flawed document—wrong in many ways, but in particular, it is just too damn liberal for today’s conservatives.

The idea is to make the Good Book more palatable to today’s conservatives. For example, they change Jesus saying “Blessed are the meek” to Jesus saying “Blessed are the God fearing”. “Meek” does not sit well with today’s chest thumping Christian Right. They have taken the passage describing the women about to be stoned for adultery out altogether, because the admonishment of Jesus to let the person without sin cast the first stone is just to squishy and liberal for today’s blustering, he-man conservatives. When Jesus says “Peace be with you”, it is rewritten as “Peace of mind be with you”. Jesus was certainly no liberal pacifist. No sir! The list of conservative revisions goes on and on. http://www.alternet.org/belief/right-wing-group-seeks-help-rewriting-bible-because-its-not-conservative-enough

These revisions are not based on any knowledge of ancient Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. Nor are they based on any genuine scholarship of the original texts. The only purpose of these modern day revisions is to take out the annoying liberal slant of the Bible we have all used for over a thousand years. The surprising thing is that these non-scholarly revisions have not provoked howling outrage from the Evangelicals, who after all, claim that the Bible, particularly the King James version, is infallible and perfect as written. But as we know, right wing politics trumps religious faith.

Now that the Evangelicals are peeing in their pants in outrage because Arizona will not implement a law that out would allow them “religious” exemption from civil statutes that bar discrimination against fellow citizens, its time to step back and examine this issue in some detail.

They love to trot out the old Leviticus warhorse about homosexuality being an abomination, even as they sit down for Easter dinner to gorge themselves on ham (also a Leviticus abomination). There are many evils in the Old Testament that would not be tolerated in a pluralistic and free society: genocide, polygamy, slavery, and the slaughter of perfectly innocent people, to name just a few. There are even rules about infanticide.

Fun fact: the one rule you expect on infanticide—don’t do it!—is not in the rule book.

When I ask Evangelicals about this, their standard response is that we have a New Testament, Praise Jesus! This frees us from all of the Old Testament rules and replaces them with a message of love, forgiveness and eternal life.

Except for that one tiny part of Leviticus, which seems to remain in full force and effect. This is a circle that cannot be squared and they do not even try. But no matter. Evangelicals are quite accustomed to turning a blind eye to their own flabbergasting inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Yet another example of how their political/social agenda corrupts the very message of love, forgiveness and eternal life that they say they advocate.

Another fun fact: Jesus was so perturbed by homosexuality that it is never mentioned in the entire New Testament. Yet these people are working overtime to deny American citizens equal rights and protection under the law. They are trying desperately to perfume the pig of bigotry with the nice odors of religious faith. But a pig is a pig—and it still smells now matter how much perfume they try to apply.

Then of course us their feverish attempt to rewrite history to conform to their social and political agenda. Here are but three examples:

Tom Delay proclaims that the Constitution was written by God. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Tom-DeLay-God-wrote-the-Constitution-5256148.php
Even the slavery parts I suppose. Maybe not the Establishment Clause. But if God is infallible, how do we explain the Amendments? Did God make a mistake in the original draft, and are the Amendments are just a rewrite? Or does Rev. Tom think that all the amendments should be repealed to bring it back in line with God’s original purpose? If one believes, as the Evangelical do, that the Divine is infallible, there are some thorny questions ahead.

The Christian right has convinced themselves that the Founders were fundamentalist Christians just like just like the fire and brimstone Baptists and snake-handling Pentecostals just down the street. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the Founders came from a variety of religious traditions, none of which even remotely resemble today’s Evangelicals. http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/02/the-us-founding-fathers-their-religious-beliefs/
Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Washington was pantheistic, to offer but three examples. During one difficult session during the drafting of the Constitution, some delegates suggested that the assembled stop to offer a prayer. Hamilton noted that he saw no reason to call for foreign aid. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/156154/Deism
The one thing that they all agreed on, however, is that religion is a private matter and the State should stay out of it. How else do you explain the Establishment Clause? Oh, right—this crowd has not read the that part of the Constitution.

Thoroughly discredited “historian” David Barton (he has no training as an historian. He does, however, have a B.A in Christian Education from Oral Roberts “University”) continues to push the strange idea that the Constitution is based on the Bible (why not? Tom Delay believes it was written by God—see above). Yet, the only mention of religion in the Constitution requires the State to stay out of it. Nothing he says or the “evidence” he provides has been validated by anyone who actually has been trained as a scholar or historian. In fact, these scholars and historians have debunked everything he has said on this topic.

Yet these myths and falsehoods persist, because this is what Evangelicals want to believe. They never let the truth get in the way of a either a good story or a warped ideology.
“My concern is not whether God is on our side; my ... (show quote)


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Mar 10, 2014 01:00:24   #
Zophman Loc: Northwest
 
Very astute essay. The best are the final two sentences. You can substitute "Evangelicals" with any other zealous group . . .Muslim, Democrat, Republican, Global Warming, Capitalists, Communists, Hippies, Grateful Dead Fans, Environmentalists, Save the Whales, Gay Pride, on and on. . .take your pick.

Just because an individual really believes something doesn't make it true.

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Mar 10, 2014 01:17:16   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Thoughtful essay. Be prepared to be devoured alive.

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Mar 10, 2014 07:47:59   #
Skellum0
 
Thank you. While I do not agree with everything in the article it is a thought provoking and interesting read.

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Mar 10, 2014 08:21:41   #
cthahn
 
Who are you trying to impress?

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Mar 10, 2014 09:15:16   #
gideon Loc: Tampa Bay, FL
 
Two thoughts I have are:
1. "Applause"
2. Don't you think most Americans believe as you do? It seems that the majority always seems to be silent, while the lunatic fringe minority makes the most noise and gets the headlines.

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Mar 10, 2014 10:57:00   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
gideon wrote:
Two thoughts I have are:
1. "Applause"
2. Don't you think most Americans believe as you do? It seems that the majority always seems to be silent, while the lunatic fringe minority makes the most noise and gets the headlines.


You are correct "the lunatic fringe minority makes the most noise". Usually by writing long rambling diatribes about whatever is annoying them at the moment (see the OP).

I seriously doubt that Bazbo actually wrote the post. If you look at his posts you will see that he cannot get through more than one paragraph without resorting to childish name calling, misspelled words and poor grammar.

I am no fan of organized religion but I tend to take a live and let live approach to what others believe. So, I ask what is the point of this post?

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Mar 10, 2014 11:00:24   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Bazbo wrote:
“My concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.”
&#8213; Abraham Lincoln

The dangers of religion corrupting politics was well-known by our Founding Fathers. Although six generations removed from the first English settlements in the New World, they knew that the early colonists, fleeing religious persecution in Europe, lost no time in establishing their own form of religious persecution once they ran things. A form of persecution that was, in some ways, more oppressive, bizarre and cruel that the persecution that drove them to the New World. In the Massachusetts Bay Colony, the punishment for having a different point of view (religious or otherwise) could result in painful, public and humiliating punishment. In extreme cases, one could be tied to a pole and burned alive.

Hence the Establishment Clause of our Constitution which forbids an official State religion, and outlaws any proscriptive religious test to hold public office. Of course. The Tea Party extremists who are outraged because they believe President Obama is a Muslim have not read this part of the Constitution that they claim to love so passionately. Regardless of the Religious Right’s constant bleating about how this country was founded on “Christian” principles, nothing could be further from the truth. Our country’s Constitution is more a product of the intellectual elite of the day trying to apply some fundamental ideas of the Enlightenment than it was Jesus writing the founding documents through the hands of the Founders.

Since the day’s of the Reagan administration, we have seen the corruption flow the other way. Right wing politics is corrupting religion in general and Evangelical Christianity in particular. There has always been this corruption of course. The Ku Klux Klan has always claimed to be a Christian organization, for example. http://www.kkk.com



Jesus saves, but the Klan kills.

But this trend is accelerating at an alarming rate in the modern era. The hate-filled ranting of the Evangelical right bears resemblance to neither the Christianity of my youth, nor the Christian ideals that I was taught.

Let’s start with the Conservative Bible. http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
It turns out, the Bible that has been the single source of truth for Christians for over a thousand years, and has been defended as the infallible Word of Good by the faithful, especially Evangelicals, turns out is a deeply flawed document—wrong in many ways, but in particular, it is just too damn liberal for today’s conservatives.

The idea is to make the Good Book more palatable to today’s conservatives. For example, they change Jesus saying “Blessed are the meek” to Jesus saying “Blessed are the God fearing”. “Meek” does not sit well with today’s chest thumping Christian Right. They have taken the passage describing the women about to be stoned for adultery out altogether, because the admonishment of Jesus to let the person without sin cast the first stone is just to squishy and liberal for today’s blustering, he-man conservatives. When Jesus says “Peace be with you”, it is rewritten as “Peace of mind be with you”. Jesus was certainly no liberal pacifist. No sir! The list of conservative revisions goes on and on. http://www.alternet.org/belief/right-wing-group-seeks-help-rewriting-bible-because-its-not-conservative-enough

These revisions are not based on any knowledge of ancient Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. Nor are they based on any genuine scholarship of the original texts. The only purpose of these modern day revisions is to take out the annoying liberal slant of the Bible we have all used for over a thousand years. The surprising thing is that these non-scholarly revisions have not provoked howling outrage from the Evangelicals, who after all, claim that the Bible, particularly the King James version, is infallible and perfect as written. But as we know, right wing politics trumps religious faith.

Now that the Evangelicals are peeing in their pants in outrage because Arizona will not implement a law that out would allow them “religious” exemption from civil statutes that bar discrimination against fellow citizens, its time to step back and examine this issue in some detail.

They love to trot out the old Leviticus warhorse about homosexuality being an abomination, even as they sit down for Easter dinner to gorge themselves on ham (also a Leviticus abomination). There are many evils in the Old Testament that would not be tolerated in a pluralistic and free society: genocide, polygamy, slavery, and the slaughter of perfectly innocent people, to name just a few. There are even rules about infanticide.

Fun fact: the one rule you expect on infanticide—don’t do it!—is not in the rule book.

When I ask Evangelicals about this, their standard response is that we have a New Testament, Praise Jesus! This frees us from all of the Old Testament rules and replaces them with a message of love, forgiveness and eternal life.

Except for that one tiny part of Leviticus, which seems to remain in full force and effect. This is a circle that cannot be squared and they do not even try. But no matter. Evangelicals are quite accustomed to turning a blind eye to their own flabbergasting inconsistencies and hypocrisy. Yet another example of how their political/social agenda corrupts the very message of love, forgiveness and eternal life that they say they advocate.

Another fun fact: Jesus was so perturbed by homosexuality that it is never mentioned in the entire New Testament. Yet these people are working overtime to deny American citizens equal rights and protection under the law. They are trying desperately to perfume the pig of bigotry with the nice odors of religious faith. But a pig is a pig—and it still smells now matter how much perfume they try to apply.

Then of course us their feverish attempt to rewrite history to conform to their social and political agenda. Here are but three examples:

Tom Delay proclaims that the Constitution was written by God. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Tom-DeLay-God-wrote-the-Constitution-5256148.php
Even the slavery parts I suppose. Maybe not the Establishment Clause. But if God is infallible, how do we explain the Amendments? Did God make a mistake in the original draft, and are the Amendments are just a rewrite? Or does Rev. Tom think that all the amendments should be repealed to bring it back in line with God’s original purpose? If one believes, as the Evangelical do, that the Divine is infallible, there are some thorny questions ahead.

The Christian right has convinced themselves that the Founders were fundamentalist Christians just like just like the fire and brimstone Baptists and snake-handling Pentecostals just down the street. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the Founders came from a variety of religious traditions, none of which even remotely resemble today’s Evangelicals. http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/02/the-us-founding-fathers-their-religious-beliefs/
Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Washington was pantheistic, to offer but three examples. During one difficult session during the drafting of the Constitution, some delegates suggested that the assembled stop to offer a prayer. Hamilton noted that he saw no reason to call for foreign aid. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/156154/Deism
The one thing that they all agreed on, however, is that religion is a private matter and the State should stay out of it. How else do you explain the Establishment Clause? Oh, right—this crowd has not read the that part of the Constitution.

Thoroughly discredited “historian” David Barton (he has no training as an historian. He does, however, have a B.A in Christian Education from Oral Roberts “University”) continues to push the strange idea that the Constitution is based on the Bible (why not? Tom Delay believes it was written by God—see above). Yet, the only mention of religion in the Constitution requires the State to stay out of it. Nothing he says or the “evidence” he provides has been validated by anyone who actually has been trained as a scholar or historian. In fact, these scholars and historians have debunked everything he has said on this topic.

Yet these myths and falsehoods persist, because this is what Evangelicals want to believe. They never let the truth get in the way of a either a good story or a warped ideology.
“My concern is not whether God is on our side; my ... (show quote)

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And today we have a bigger problem, OBLAME-O thinks he is god OR a god, kind of like the Caesars of Rome.

Just recently he said you'd be doing "GOD'S work" if you helped people sign up for Obamacare.
Talk about warped ideology!

Did you notice how he is bringing God up a lot more now?
His "anti-belief" rhetoric failed to swing supporters so now he wants to join and lead the believers ( don't matter what religion or faith )

I think his motto is " There they go and I must catch up with them, FOR I AM THEIR LEADER" fits very well.

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Mar 10, 2014 12:05:56   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Zophman wrote:
Very astute essay. The best are the final two sentences. You can substitute "Evangelicals" with any other zealous group . . .Muslim, Democrat, Republican, Global Warming, Capitalists, Communists, Hippies, Grateful Dead Fans, Environmentalists, Save the Whales, Gay Pride, on and on. . .take your pick.

Just because an individual really believes something doesn't make it true.


That is quite true. Zealots of any stripe are intellectual poison.

Here I focused on my own religious tradition because I am very concerned about the zealots of my tradition are corrupting the tradition itself. But what goes for my core beliefs applies to others as well

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Mar 10, 2014 12:13:17   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
ted45 wrote:
You are correct "the lunatic fringe minority makes the most noise". Usually by writing long rambling diatribes about whatever is annoying them at the moment (see the OP).

I seriously doubt that Bazbo actually wrote the post. If you look at his posts you will see that he cannot get through more than one paragraph without resorting to childish name calling, misspelled words and poor grammar.

I am no fan of organized religion but I tend to take a live and let live approach to what others believe. So, I ask what is the point of this post?
You are correct "the lunatic fringe minority ... (show quote)


The point of the post should be obvious to anyone with even average intelligence. I am sorry it escapes you.

I really don't care if you believe I wrote it. But if you want to accuse me of plagiarism, you would be well advised to come with evidence. But evidence really isn't your strong suit, is it?

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Mar 10, 2014 12:20:24   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
bvm wrote:
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And today we have a bigger problem, OBLAME-O thinks he is god OR a god, kind of like the Caesars of Rome.

Just recently he said you'd be doing "GOD'S work" if you helped people sign up for Obamacare.
Talk about warped ideology!

Did you notice how he is bringing God up a lot more now?
His "anti-belief" rhetoric failed to swing supporters so now he wants to join and lead the believers ( don't matter what religion or faith )

I think his motto is " There they go and I must catch up with them, FOR I AM THEIR LEADER" fits very well.
________________________________________________ b... (show quote)


The post was not about Obama. So the best you can do is try to change the subject? Isn't that a tacit admission that you have nothing relevant to say on this topic?

Start your own thread if you want to rant about something and let others attack your ideas. That's what I did.

But you have neither the intellectual honesty nor the courage to do something like that.

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Mar 10, 2014 13:11:39   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Bazbo wrote:
The post was not about Obama. So the best you can do is try to change the subject? Isn't that a tacit admission that you have nothing relevant to say on this topic?

Start your own thread if you want to rant about something and let others attack your ideas. That's what I did.

But you have neither the intellectual honesty nor the courage to do something like that.

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So once again, YOU deny the truth!

It's not changing the subject, YOU are a true believer in BO.
No matter what he says or does.

And when YOU can't come up with an answer or a logical point of view, YOU go after Bush, Chaney or even Sara.

YOU and YOUR ilk are all losers, YOU can't stand to be wrong or labeled a zealot ( which you are) .

Then YOUR twisted rhetoric comes out.

TO YOU BO is blameless, can do no wrong but just wait he's going to turn on you soon, very soon!

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Mar 10, 2014 13:20:49   #
napabob Loc: Napa CA
 
well said, thank you for elucidating for those of us who are less able.................I want to steal it and buy the world a coke while they read it...................

but I won't

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