The Religious Right and the Corruption of Christianity
Mar 12, 2014 14:34:40 #
Fred in Boise
Loc: Boise, Idaho
Hey Mike (Venturer9).
Close, but....Baptists were an offshoot of the Puritans. Roger Williams established the first Baptist Church in New World--Rhode Island to be exact (after he was run out of Mass by his fellow Puritans).
If you research the FF and the general movers and shakers of the Rev War period, they were almost all some form of Puritan/Anglican.
Yes, the First Great Awakening brought the common people into organized religion with Baptists and Methodists predominating (The Puritans didn't like this revival business. After all, if you believed that only the Elect could be saved, why bother to evangelize?). These folks didn't get the vote until Jacksonian Democracy took over.
Close, but....Baptists were an offshoot of the Puritans. Roger Williams established the first Baptist Church in New World--Rhode Island to be exact (after he was run out of Mass by his fellow Puritans).
If you research the FF and the general movers and shakers of the Rev War period, they were almost all some form of Puritan/Anglican.
Yes, the First Great Awakening brought the common people into organized religion with Baptists and Methodists predominating (The Puritans didn't like this revival business. After all, if you believed that only the Elect could be saved, why bother to evangelize?). These folks didn't get the vote until Jacksonian Democracy took over.
Mar 12, 2014 15:08:50 #
Fred in Boise wrote:
Hey Mike (Venturer9). br Close, but....Baptists we... (show quote)
Actually, "Historians trace the earliest church labeled "Baptist" back to 1609 in Amsterdam, with English Separatist John Smyth as its pastor".From Wikipedia. Thought you might want to know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist
http://www.baptist.org/beliefs/doctrines/history/
Mar 12, 2014 22:58:13 #
Fred in Boise
Loc: Boise, Idaho
Hey Bangee5,
Did know. He was splitting off from the aforementioned Puritan/Anglicans.
Baptists believed in Baptism only after the kid was old enough to think for themselves. Baby baptism didn't mean anything to them. They also had a problem with Calvin's version of predestination.
Needlesstosay, they were not mentioned in polite, noble society.
Did know. He was splitting off from the aforementioned Puritan/Anglicans.
Baptists believed in Baptism only after the kid was old enough to think for themselves. Baby baptism didn't mean anything to them. They also had a problem with Calvin's version of predestination.
Needlesstosay, they were not mentioned in polite, noble society.
Mar 13, 2014 00:31:59 #
Fred in Boise wrote:
Hey Bangee5,
Did know. He was splitting off from the aforementioned Puritan/Anglicans.
Baptists believed in Baptism only after the kid was old enough to think for themselves. Baby baptism didn't mean anything to them. They also had a problem with Calvin's version of predestination.
Needless to say, they were not mentioned in polite, noble society.
Did know. He was splitting off from the aforementioned Puritan/Anglicans.
Baptists believed in Baptism only after the kid was old enough to think for themselves. Baby baptism didn't mean anything to them. They also had a problem with Calvin's version of predestination.
Needless to say, they were not mentioned in polite, noble society.
Yeah, I know. I'm Baptist. That is true today.
Mar 13, 2014 02:01:25 #
venturer9
Loc: Newton, Il.
Fred in Boise wrote:
Hey Mike (Venturer9). br Close, but....Baptists we... (show quote)
I believe that you will find that what you say above is True... BUT the Puritan sect as a stand alone group were on the way out to a great degree, being replaced by other denominations (for lack of a better word) that took part of what the Puritans brought to the table, mixed it with their own ideas and made a totally different entity...
Mike
Mar 13, 2014 16:11:10 #
Fred in Boise
Loc: Boise, Idaho
Agree, their influence as the DOMINANT Church was starting to wane, but the groups that splintered off just softened rather than disregarded their core tenants--or need to control.
This short essay explains (and documents) very well how the Baptists were very fearful of the Puritans, now called "Congregationalists." Their letter to Prez Jefferson was the basis of the First Amendment.
http://www.lc.org/resources/myth_of_separation_church_state.html
This short essay explains (and documents) very well how the Baptists were very fearful of the Puritans, now called "Congregationalists." Their letter to Prez Jefferson was the basis of the First Amendment.
http://www.lc.org/resources/myth_of_separation_church_state.html
Mar 13, 2014 16:18:00 #
I think The United Society of Believers in Christ's Second Appearing, known as the Shakers had the right idea. They were all celibate. :oops:
Mar 13, 2014 16:43:09 #
Fred in Boise
Loc: Boise, Idaho
Magicray
Feel the same way about the easily misled who insist on voting....
Feel the same way about the easily misled who insist on voting....
Mar 13, 2014 17:40:12 #
venturer9
Loc: Newton, Il.
magicray wrote:
I think The United Society of Believers in Christ's Second Appearing, known as the Shakers had the right idea. They were all celibate. :oops:
Yeah, but that didn't work out too well for them did it... LOL..
Mike
Mar 13, 2014 21:27:46 #
magicray wrote:
I think The United Society of Believers in Christ's Second Appearing, known as the Shakers had the right idea. They were all celibate. :oops:
:shock:
Mar 14, 2014 00:13:40 #
venturer9 wrote:
Ya. What ever happened to those guys, anyway? Yeah, but that didn't work out too well for them did it... LOL..
Mike
Mike
:?:
Mar 14, 2014 00:23:51 #
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