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Nov 10, 2013 18:38:15   #
bunuweld Loc: Arizona
 
russelray wrote:
LOL.

Two totally different industries, one over a hundred years old.
http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/tou_cs5services.html
Instead of just clicking on your End User License Agreement (EULA for short), try readinit sometime. It doesn't grant you owners of the software, only an end user license agreement.


I am not talking about ownership. When you buy the package on a disc it is implicit that you bought the product with an unlimited license. The legalistic trick--or scam--is to change to a different system and abandon support the old one. They cannot be sued for a breach of contact because they never committed themselves to maintain the program in its form forever. The merchants used the income from the users to find generously paid lawyers who can outsmart any customer whose legal acumen is near zero.

I know that I only own the box I purchased with its contents, not the license, but I never expected dirty tricks even if if they were legally protected. My bet is that 99% of any-program user never reads the entire agreement and if s/he does, doesn't understand the legalese slang :)

Here is the first paragraph of Adobe's first paragraph of the Adobe's agreement. Its obscurity increases in subsequent ones:

<<<1. Acceptance of CS Additional Terms of Use
Thank you for using the CS Services (the “Service”). Your use of the Service is subject to these Additional Terms, which supplement the Adobe.com Terms of Use ("General Terms") located at http://www.adobe.com/go/terms and incorporated herein by reference. Capitalized terms not defined in these Additional Terms have the same meaning as stated in the General Terms. In the event of any inconsistency between these Additional Terms and the General Terms, these Additional Terms shall control with respect to the Service. >>>

I will appreciate your explaining it to me :)

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Nov 10, 2013 20:42:25   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
bunuweld wrote:
I am not talking about ownership. When you buy the package on a disc it is implicit that you bought the product with an unlimited license. The legalistic trick--or scam--is to change to a different system and abandon support the old one. They cannot be sued for a breach of contact because they never committed themselves to maintain the program in its form forever. The merchants used the income from the users to find generously paid lawyers who can outsmart any customer whose legal acumen is near zero.

I know that I only own the box I purchased with its contents, not the license, but I never expected dirty tricks even if if they were legally protected. My bet is that 99% of any-program user never reads the entire agreement and if s/he does, doesn't understand the legalese slang :)

Here is the first paragraph of Adobe's first paragraph of the Adobe's agreement. Its obscurity increases in subsequent ones:

<<<1. Acceptance of CS Additional Terms of Use
Thank you for using the CS Services (the “Service”). Your use of the Service is subject to these Additional Terms, which supplement the Adobe.com Terms of Use ("General Terms") located at http://www.adobe.com/go/terms and incorporated herein by reference. Capitalized terms not defined in these Additional Terms have the same meaning as stated in the General Terms. In the event of any inconsistency between these Additional Terms and the General Terms, these Additional Terms shall control with respect to the Service. >>>

I will appreciate your explaining it to me :)
I am not talking about ownership. When you buy the... (show quote)


LOL

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Nov 15, 2013 09:37:04   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
Yes. Mine is.

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Nov 15, 2013 09:43:05   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
davidcaley wrote:
Adobe allows installation of LR & CS6 on 2 computers. Could you not install the progams to your computer, then subscribe to the $9 CC?


Yes you can. I have CS6 and CC and LR 5.2 on my desktop and laptop.

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Nov 15, 2013 09:56:57   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
bunuweld wrote:
The possibility of any software going the rental route within five years remains to be seen. It is now path being taken by powerful companies with good programs to offer. As practically monopoly holders, they dictate the terms for the users. An example, Microsoft with Windows XP, an excellent program. At some point
Microsoft withdrew it from the market and stopped supporting it even if some of its newer OS programs were crap. Rather than bending over I moved to Apple and now I am a happy iMac user. This conversion took some effort, but I'd rather do that just on principle instead of going along with.
The possibility of any software going the rental r... (show quote)


I am still getting updates for me Windows XP on one computer. I also upgraded the rest to Windows 7, a better program than XP.

I am glad you paid 3 or 4 times as much for a Mac. Now, if you can figure out how to run the proprietary programs I have on a much more expensive Mac, let me know.

Also, has Apple done the mind warp on you yet?

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Nov 15, 2013 10:28:00   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
Al Beatty wrote:
Hi Hankwt,

I'll second those who are taking advantage of the subscription plan for PS CC + LR5 for $10.00 per month. That's a very good deal for me compared to buying an upgrade every couple of years. It was such a good deal that I bought a used copy of PS CS3 (then immediately retired it) just so I could take advantage of the offer. I've had CC + LR5 for a couple of months and love it. It may not be for everyone but being in the publishing business it's a heck of a good deal for me. By the way, if anyone needs a "lightly used" PS CS3, I have one. Take care & ...
Hi Hankwt, br br I'll second those who are taking... (show quote)


I also got a copy of CS3, from ebay, purely to qualify for the subscription. Now, I find out that it *may* be a student edition, so might not even qualify. It is nearly a week late in coming, and I just want to be put out of my misery! There is no other way I could ever get my hands on a current version - my PC cost less than PS! I don't have that kind of money.

Seems to me that adobe have 2 choices, they can accept my money, or they can refuse in which case I will be working with CS3 pretty much forever, and they can kiss my... Well, you know!

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Nov 15, 2013 11:26:02   #
Nikon_Bill Loc: South Florida
 
One thing about old guys... they know just where to stoke the ashes to get a good fire going.
I think experience causes philosophy to generate.
I love to sit back looking at a good fire. And a lively discussion is great! Keep shooting! We'll advance the front lines of our mission, and the world will be a better place.... Or maybe not. I'll be proud to have done my part, and tell everyone after what it was like. It may not put a smile on their faces, but it will on mine, and I have the pictures here to prove it. :):)

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Nov 15, 2013 12:03:57   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
Bloke wrote:
Yeah, an option to buy would be good. I asked Adobe about the price, and whether it would go up after the (obligatory) year of subscription. He told me that most of the other 'introductory offers' were just for a year, and would then be more expensive. They are planning to keep the 'photographers special' at $10 indefinitely.

There is no way on Earth that I could ever afford to buy a current version of PS - my PC cost less than that! I figure that, at $10 per month, that would take at least something like 5 years to reach the price of the purchase, and who knows how many times the prices will have risen in that time.

So far, I have been spending most of my time working on old negatives and scans. I have been using PS (CS2) a lot, just getting rid of spots and scratches. Now that my focus will be moving a bit more to my current digital stuff, I guess there is a chance that I won't use PS too much. Many people have posted that LR serves 90% of their editing needs. If I find that is my position too, then I guess I would probably buy LR and try PSE for the pixel-level stuff. I have PSE10 on here, but have not really used it. That would be the point where I would consider the 'subscription' route to be unnecessary. If they had a way to offset your previous rental costs against the cost of buying either program, that would be useful.
Yeah, an option to buy would be good. I asked Ad... (show quote)


Page 2 of this. Al Beaty has a copy of CS3 he offered.

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Nov 15, 2013 12:53:47   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
amadjuster wrote:
Page 2 of this. Al Beaty has a copy of CS3 he offered.


I am currently in limbo... My copy arrived, but the website won't accept it for the program. I called them up, and it is registered to someone else. They will not change the registration unless the original buyer asks them to...

So, I have sent a message to the seller, but I don't know if *he* is the original either! It looks like this is not going to work for me, unfortunately... :hunf: I don't even know if I can *use* it without it being registered to me...

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Nov 15, 2013 16:46:28   #
jdubu Loc: San Jose, CA
 
That is the crux of the problem when purchasing a used PS for qualifying for CC.

If you don't specify that that copy of PS is deactivated on all of the sellers computers and unregistered, you are SOL.

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Nov 15, 2013 18:46:06   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
jdubu wrote:
That is the crux of the problem when purchasing a used PS for qualifying for CC.

If you don't specify that that copy of PS is deactivated on all of the sellers computers and unregistered, you are SOL.


Yeah, I am finding this out. The seller responded, and said that he had asked adobe about this before listing it, and they had assured him that it wasn't. Anyway, he says he will do it for me.

Then, there is another issue... The automatic sign-up for the Photography Program wouldn't accept it, and this was before the registration issue came up. Apparently, there is a chance that this is an educational version, and they don't qualify. It would have been nice to have known that in advance, wouldn't it? There is nothing on the dvd or package to indicate whether it is or not. So, I have to get the registration thing sorted out, then go back and try to sign up once again. If not, I am going to be unhappy...

I wouldn't have minded too much buying a more up-to-date version, but even on ebay they are expensive. I paid $75 for this, which is a lot when you are on disability. I certainly wouldn't have bothered, just to upgrade from CS2 to CS3...

This was probably the only chance I would ever have of actually having access to a current version of PS... :hunf:

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Nov 15, 2013 22:17:32   #
Nikon_Bill Loc: South Florida
 
It makes one look seriously at the public domain software that's free. "Gimp" It's at no cost. Is continuously being updated, and looks and works much like PS CS3 or later. To anyone that wants to get into photo editing and can't or won't pay the high price for 'commercial software', I recommend taking a look at it.

Just log onto: www.gimp.org See for yourself and decide.

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Nov 16, 2013 19:04:56   #
Cameoblue Loc: British Columbia Canada
 
GaryS1964 wrote:
Do you need the other tools besides Photoshop and Lightroom? If not then it's $19.99/mo for Photoshop and Lightroom unsless you owned a previous version of Photoshop CS3 or newer.

Since I already had CS6 I subscribed to the CC version for $9.99/mo. It's supposed to stay at that price and not go up as long as you maintain your subscription. Don't know if you could purchase CS6 now and then subscribe for $9.99/mo and get Lightroom included.

I signed up for the annual subscription and will decide next June whether or not it's worth continuing. If I decide to quit I'll go back to using CS6 and other tools. Adobe has said it will continue to support CS6 and it's version of ACR but only to the extent of making sure it works with the latest operating systems, image file formats and bug fixes. No feature upgrades.
Do you need the other tools besides Photoshop and ... (show quote)


The $9.99 price is guaranteed only for 12 months, it is clearly stated in the agreement which you would have clicked on "I Agree". After 12 months you have to sign up again for another 12 months at whatever their current price is. You have 30 days to withdraw from this agreement otherwise you are obligated to pay at least 5 (not sure may be 6) months as a cancellation fee.

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