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Nov 10, 2013 08:44:47   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
I purchased CS5 way back, ...long story made short...I got F$%^$over. when I purchased CS5 for 2 grand, CS6 came out 4 -6 months later, Adobe told me I could get 6 free of charge as soon as it became available (they would call me) didn't hear a thing for about 4 months, I called them after learning it had been released and not hearing from them...when I called them, they said to bad, your to late. that will be $495 to upgrade to CS6, didn't really have a choice, also there was talk about CS7 the following year, I went for CS6. Then they came up with this CC BS...now I'm looking into alternatives...I don't need to be leasing or renting another software package. If other companies are smart & paying attention to this... it is there time to shine.

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Nov 10, 2013 08:46:46   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto.
russelray wrote:
For some reason, "old school" people don't seem to understand that they have never owned software. All they have owned is a license to use the software. The software belongs to the software company.

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Nov 10, 2013 08:53:34   #
Roy Hakala Loc: Red Wing, MN
 
Be aware that the $9.99 price does not apply if your current Photoshop is a student version.

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Nov 10, 2013 09:09:28   #
Al Beatty Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Hi Hankwt,

I'll second those who are taking advantage of the subscription plan for PS CC + LR5 for $10.00 per month. That's a very good deal for me compared to buying an upgrade every couple of years. It was such a good deal that I bought a used copy of PS CS3 (then immediately retired it) just so I could take advantage of the offer. I've had CC + LR5 for a couple of months and love it. It may not be for everyone but being in the publishing business it's a heck of a good deal for me. By the way, if anyone needs a "lightly used" PS CS3, I have one. Take care & ...

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Nov 10, 2013 09:39:09   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Hankwt wrote:
Ive been seriously thinking of getting the CC monthly plan I am currently a user of Lightroom via my sons computer however he is leaving home to stake out his future in the world. This would of course put me as a new user category which is I believe 29.95 month
My question is will this subscription always be 29.95 or does it revert to 9.99 at some point ?
Ive looked around Adobes site for this info however sometimes find answers there is like finding the meaning of life.
Just curious is it possible to still buy say CS6 still from somewhere and still have it registered to work or will Adobe just nix your request to register. Im old school and like owning what I pay for but if not possible I would go the cloud route. I have a love hate affair with change but somtes we have to accept the inevitable.
Ive been seriously thinking of getting the CC mont... (show quote)


I pay 19.95 a month to subscribe to Adobe. With this program I can only choose one product to use, which in my case was CS6. Why not buy Lightroom 5 for around 150.00, and then subscribe for CS6 for 19.95 a month. This way after 15 months you will be saving money. I doubt you will suffer from not having every update to Lightroom 5 since you were satisfied using Lightroom 4 anyway.

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Nov 10, 2013 11:19:58   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Hankwt wrote:
$ 9.99 is definately a bargain At 29.99 is a big chunk 360.00 year with nothing to show. Like renting an apartment as opposed to mortgaging your first home albeit a much smaller scale. Is it all relative ?? I just think we need more options but This topic im sure has been beaten to death. Hey Mr Adobe ... I will meet you half way 19.99. With an option to buy !!


Good luck with that!

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Nov 10, 2013 11:55:36   #
Hankwt Loc: kingsville ontario
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Good luck with that!


lol what no faith in the powers of bargaining??

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Nov 10, 2013 12:28:51   #
CEHilton
 
Hankwt wrote:
$ 9.99 is definately a bargain At 29.99 is a big chunk 360.00 year with nothing to show. Like renting an apartment as opposed to mortgaging your first home albeit a much smaller scale. Is it all relative ?? I just think we need more options but This topic im sure has been beaten to death. Hey Mr Adobe ... I will meet you half way 19.99. With an option to buy !!


The 29.99 price is for everything not just Photoshop and Lightroom but only last the first year then goes up to 49.99 but if you use all of Adobe's programs then it is well worth it. You get Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5(CC) for 9.99 a month and this is a a good price. I have used Photoshop since version 3.5 and only a few upgrades weren't worth it. The new ACR introduced in Lightroom 4 and CS6 are in itself worth the upgrades. I am still discovering the very usable CC versions of both as I have only had it for a little over a month with a heavy workload that doesn't allow me much time for exploring the newer features but I am totally pleased as it is also much faster rendering some of the features once you hit apply.

If you are just a casual user that is satisfied with what you currently have then don't upgrade. When the newer cameras come out, Nikon Canon and who ever will have their own software to open and convert them to a tiff at least so you dont' have to buy anything. I personally want to continue to learn and raise my craft to the max I can and Adobe software has always allowed me to do that.

With CC, I don't have to wait on any new features or upgrades, I am notified and can update the software as it happens. Adobe has to keep quality people working and paying them a reasonable wage to keep them. I am not so sure that it is mega profits they are after as some seem to think. The whole economy of the world depends on people exchanging money for products, I sure as heck would hate to have to go out every day hunting everything my family needs just to survive.

There is a lot of bashing and complaining here, just go out and do what you want, if you don't want to pay for it, what entitles you to the new products that cost to develop?

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Nov 10, 2013 12:47:30   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Hi- Pompous donkey CaptainC here.

Not sure why I am pompous because I think you are whiner. I did not say I did not like whining. To the contrary I find it amusing that so many people cannot come to grips with the reality of software today.

You're a bit touchy, eh.

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Nov 10, 2013 14:52:07   #
bunuweld Loc: Arizona
 
russelray wrote:
I think every software company on the planet will be in subscription mode within five years. A few might still offer their old, outdated programs for sale.

Microsoft has taken Office to the rental cloud (it's called Office 365). Adobe has also. WordPress has a rental cloud, which I also use.

These rental programs will become more and more popular because no one has to shell out big bucks at a specific point in time. $9.99 (or $19.99, or $29.99) a month fits more easily into a monthly budget than does Photoshop's previous all-now price of $699 for CS6. When one adds in upgrades at $199 every 15-18 months, it should be obvious to everyone that the Cloud is the way to go.

Businesses will find (and are finding) that even though the Cloud is offered at a lower price, the fact that a small amount fits more easily into people's budgets means that more people will be signing up. People who have never used Photoshop because of its cost, other than an occasionally free 30-day trial, apparently are signing up in droves. The only people who don't seem to be able to do basic mathematics are the "old school" people who somehow think that they have always owned the software they bought at a store. Nope. All they have owned is a license to use the software. The software company makes no guarantee about how long the software will work as technology continues to advance. If they are still selling the software for which you have a license, they'll help you set it up on a new computer. If they have moved on to new versions that are compatible with new technology, you'll be out of luck.
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The possibility of any software going the rental route within five years remains to be seen. It is now path being taken by powerful companies with good programs to offer. As practically monopoly holders, they dictate the terms for the users. An example, Microsoft with Windows XP, an excellent program. At some point
Microsoft withdrew it from the market and stopped supporting it even if some of its newer OS programs were crap. Rather than bending over I moved to Apple and now I am a happy iMac user. This conversion took some effort, but I'd rather do that just on principle instead of going along with abuse.

The idea that they own the program and they rent it to you via a temporary license is a fallacy that goes against good capitalism as opposed to predatory monopolistic one. What would happen If there would be a top car manufacturer and it would decide not to sell the cars, but force customers to only rent them? The howl would be heard in the Antarctica. Fortunately there are enough competitors that this will not happen.

I think that in the next few years Adobe will be withdrawing support from CS6 and previous editions to force reluctant owners into the corral. At that time, as a matter of principle, I will move to other program rather than going along with the abuse. It is not a matter of money; I can afford a lot more than those monthly payments.

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Nov 10, 2013 15:19:24   #
Hankwt Loc: kingsville ontario
 
CaptainC wrote:
Hi- Pompous donkey CaptainC here.

Not sure why I am pompous because I think you are whiner. I did not say I did not like whining. To the contrary I find it amusing that so many people cannot come to grips with the reality of software today.

You're a bit touchy, eh.

My apologies to you Capn C that my post brought such an assinine remark directed at you. I believe most knowledgable members here lnow the value you are to this site. Unfortunately my post ,which was intended to merely garner some info regarding the fees and or availability of still possibly purchasing has touched a nerve for many! Thank you for those that have helped as well as those who presented an opinion in a respectful way. To the 1 sloth - please go crawl in a corner. Debate and opinions are always welcome however i have no place for people without bounds.

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Nov 10, 2013 15:39:06   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Hankwt wrote:
My apologies to you Capn C that my post brought such an assinine remark directed at you. I believe most knowledgable members here lnow the value you are to this site. Unfortunately my post ,which was intended to merely garner some info regarding the fees and or availability of still possibly purchasing has touched a nerve for many! Thank you for those that have helped as well as those who presented an opinion in a respectful way. To the 1 sloth - please go crawl in a corner. Debate and opinions are always welcome however i have no place for people without bounds.
My apologies to you Capn C that my post brought su... (show quote)


Hankwt - Very nice of you, but no apology needed. At my age I have a very thick skin. I also don't care what whathisname thinks of me. I DO like to get a rise of of people, though. :-)

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Nov 10, 2013 15:47:22   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
bunuweld wrote:
The idea that they own the program and they rent it to you via a temporary license is a fallacy that goes against good capitalism as opposed to predatory monopolistic one. What would happen If there would be a top car manufacturer and it would decide not to sell the cars, but force customers to only rent them? The howl would be heard in the Antarctica. Fortunately there are enough competitors that this will not happen.

LOL.

Two totally different industries, one over a hundred years old.

Instead of just clicking on your End User License Agreement (EULA for short), try readinit sometime. It doesn't grant you owners of the software, only an end user license agreement.

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Nov 10, 2013 16:47:03   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
Hankwt wrote:
$ 9.99 is definately a bargain At 29.99 is a big chunk 360.00 year with nothing to show. Like renting an apartment as opposed to mortgaging your first home albeit a much smaller scale. Is it all relative ?? I just think we need more options but This topic im sure has been beaten to death. Hey Mr Adobe ... I will meet you half way 19.99. With an option to buy !!


Yeah, an option to buy would be good. I asked Adobe about the price, and whether it would go up after the (obligatory) year of subscription. He told me that most of the other 'introductory offers' were just for a year, and would then be more expensive. They are planning to keep the 'photographers special' at $10 indefinitely.

There is no way on Earth that I could ever afford to buy a current version of PS - my PC cost less than that! I figure that, at $10 per month, that would take at least something like 5 years to reach the price of the purchase, and who knows how many times the prices will have risen in that time.

So far, I have been spending most of my time working on old negatives and scans. I have been using PS (CS2) a lot, just getting rid of spots and scratches. Now that my focus will be moving a bit more to my current digital stuff, I guess there is a chance that I won't use PS too much. Many people have posted that LR serves 90% of their editing needs. If I find that is my position too, then I guess I would probably buy LR and try PSE for the pixel-level stuff. I have PSE10 on here, but have not really used it. That would be the point where I would consider the 'subscription' route to be unnecessary. If they had a way to offset your previous rental costs against the cost of buying either program, that would be useful.

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Nov 10, 2013 17:53:38   #
GaryS1964 Loc: Northern California
 
Do you need the other tools besides Photoshop and Lightroom? If not then it's $19.99/mo for Photoshop and Lightroom unsless you owned a previous version of Photoshop CS3 or newer.

Since I already had CS6 I subscribed to the CC version for $9.99/mo. It's supposed to stay at that price and not go up as long as you maintain your subscription. Don't know if you could purchase CS6 now and then subscribe for $9.99/mo and get Lightroom included.

I signed up for the annual subscription and will decide next June whether or not it's worth continuing. If I decide to quit I'll go back to using CS6 and other tools. Adobe has said it will continue to support CS6 and it's version of ACR but only to the extent of making sure it works with the latest operating systems, image file formats and bug fixes. No feature upgrades.

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