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Is anyone on AMW considering buying Sony's A7 or A7R?
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Oct 23, 2013 10:49:16   #
Musket
 
Any and all interest I had in the A7 was lost the moment the rumor of a Nikon FX camera with an FM2body style, D4 sensor was brought to surface. I expect that rumor to go to full announcement in about a month or so.

That "rumor" paired with Sonys terrible track record of camera releases really makes it hard to get attracted to the A7, for me that is.

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Oct 23, 2013 11:03:57   #
Peekayoh
 
"Terrible" in what way?

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Oct 23, 2013 18:29:51   #
Davethehiker (a regular here)
 
The UPS man delivered my Sony DSC-RX100M2 this evening. As I opened the boxes I was reminded of Russian dolls within dolls. When I finally reached the camera it looked tiny. It about the same size as my Ricoh.

It's snug but I managed to get into the belt holster that I have been keeping Ricoh in, even with EVF attached. I also bought the leather case with neck strap that Sony makes for it. I might end up carrying that way.

@StephenVL, That leather case for the EVF has a Velcro strap made to attach to neck strap attached to the camera case. It look secure but I worry it might get caught on something and I could lose that very expensive EVF.

The battery is being charged. Strange how the battery is charged within the camera. My next purchase will be an external battery charger. http://www.amazon.com/Digipower-TC-55S-Travel-Charger-Sony/dp/B004CFBV52/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345837105&sr=8-1&keywords=Digipower+TC-55S+Travel+Charger+for+Sony
After it's charged I'll take some test photos.

More latter.

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Oct 23, 2013 18:44:43   #
StephenVL
 
Davethehiker wrote:


The battery is being charged. Strange how the battery is charged within the camera. My next purchase will be an external battery charger.

After it's charged I'll take some test photos.

More latter.


I bought one of these.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171150480470?lpid=82

Works fine.

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Oct 23, 2013 23:07:51   #
Davethehiker (a regular here)
 
StephenVL wrote:
I bought one of these.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171150480470?lpid=82

Works fine.


Too late! I already payed too much for the one in my link.

My camera did not arrive until after dark. I took some photos in the house.

I do not mean to say the "made from raw" is any better than the JPG made by the camera. I just wanted to play with it in post processing. I was concentrating on accenting her freckles.
First photo out of box. JPG
First photo out of box. JPG...
Another one with more lights. JPG
Another one with more lights. JPG...
Then I turned GPG+RAW This was from RAW
Then I turned GPG+RAW This was from RAW...
The camera's JPG
The camera's JPG...

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Oct 25, 2013 21:39:30   #
Davethehiker (a regular here)
 
@StephenVL The battery charger I ordered http://www.amazon.com/Digipower-TC-55S-Travel-Charger-Sony/dp/B004CFBV52/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UT...
arrived tonight. I paid a bit much for it; I used expedited shipping because I was in hurry to get it prior to vacation.

I'm impressed with it! It has some AI built into it. It has a charge gauge built into it. You get a feel how much the battery needs to charged and how the charge is progressing. It accepts many types of batteries.

Today I learned how to wirelessly send images and videos from the camera to my wife's iPhone.

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Oct 27, 2013 10:20:26   #
Davethehiker (a regular here)
 
I took my brand new DSC-RX100M2 outside today. I discovered that one of the advantages of such a small camera is not only the convenience of having with you at all times, but the ease at which you can place it in various places to gain an advantage in perspective. The first photo below was near my feet, while I sat in the drivers seat in a horse drawn wagon.







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Oct 27, 2013 12:46:38   #
Peekayoh
 
I bet you're a happy chappie right now.

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Oct 27, 2013 12:47:20   #
unclebe1
 
Davethehiker, if the new RX100 MII is an improvement over the original RX100, you cannot be disappointed!! I've been using the RX100 for about a year now and continue to be amazed at its IQ and flexibility. Here's a quick snap taken recently while I was playing golf. As I'm sure you well know, you can't take a great shot if you don't have a camera!!! It's so easy to 'lug' the RX100 around. :lol: Enjoy!



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Oct 27, 2013 13:07:15   #
Davethehiker (a regular here)
 
unclebe1 wrote:
Davethehiker, if the new RX100 MII is an improvement over the original RX100, you cannot be disappointed!! I've been using the RX100 for about a year now and continue to be amazed at its IQ and flexibility. Here's a quick snap taken recently while I was playing golf. As I'm sure you well know, you can't take a great shot if you don't have a camera!!! It's so easy to 'lug' the RX100 around. :lol: Enjoy!


Wow, impressive "macro" type capture!

unclebe1, did you also buy the EVF? I bought one and like it. It does add to the bulk but it still all fits into a small leatherette pouch on my belt. True it no longer fits in my pocket but I think it's safer in the pouch. The pouch might get in the way of my golf swing. :-)

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Oct 27, 2013 13:11:46   #
unclebe1
 
No, I didn't buy the EVF. I usually just throw it in a jacket pocket (I'm on my way to a concert and that's where it is right now). I did buy an extra battery and external charger tho. Always carry an extra battery. Rarely need it.

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Oct 27, 2013 13:30:05   #
Davethehiker (a regular here)
 
Peekayoh wrote:
I bet you're a happy chappie right now.


Indeed I am. I feel I'm ready for my trip to the UK next week. Next I'm going to pack some warm clothing. After your warning about the rain, I even packed a "frog suit". It's light weight, rain proof, pull-over clothing that I normally only take while hiking, however it's light weight, breathable, and fits into the small backpack that I will have with me on the motor coach. I have been in torrential down pours while hiking and stayed bone dry in my frog suit. My new camera will also be protected.

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Oct 27, 2013 19:52:55   #
Peekayoh
 
Yep, "frog suit" sounds good.
Tonight we get 80mph winds, torrential rain and flooding.
Hang on to your hats!

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Oct 28, 2013 08:45:56   #
Davethehiker (a regular here)
 
unclebe1 wrote:
Davethehiker, if the new RX100 MII is an improvement over the original RX100, you cannot be disappointed!! I've been using the RX100 for about a year now and continue to be amazed at its IQ and flexibility. Here's a quick snap taken recently while I was playing golf. As I'm sure you well know, you can't take a great shot if you don't have a camera!!! It's so easy to 'lug' the RX100 around. :lol: Enjoy!


Unclebe1, That must have been a very big bug. The RX100 has the same size sensor as the RX100M2. I'm a bit weak on this topic, but I believe that cameras with tiny sensors are better able to get close to the subject yet maintain depth of field. Your RX100 and my RX100M2 both have 13.2mm by 8.8mm sensors and I expect would share similar depth of field characteristics. I also own the Ricoh GX200 camera which is a similar sized camera as the Sony RX100M2.

Overall, I much prefer the Sony camera because of the detail and ease of use. I found I was always fiddling with the controls on my Ricoh. The one advantage the GX200 had was it's capabilities as a "Macro"/close-up camera. The Ricoh could somehow preserve depth of field, even when the subject was practically touching the lens. The Ricoh sensor is only 7.53mm by 5.64mm, giving it advantage in close up photography.

Notice in the Fungi 1 photo that you are looking at growth on rotting leaves and you can see seeds in the background that are still in focus. In fungi 2 you are looking at a more mature fungi growth but it's still very small. The photo provides a pleasant depth of field. I don't think my RX100M2 will be able to do that as well. Some day I will do an experiment to find out.

I also own a full frame Sony A900 camera. While I might have been able to use my 100mm macro to fill the frame with these tiny fungi, the depth of field would have been so shallow that the picture would have been of little interest.

Perhaps someone with more expertise can correct me or confirm my experience. I think that if one is interested in maintaining depth of field while photographing tiny objects, it helps if the sensor is smaller than the subject. I do not understands the "science" behind this. I only speak from my empirical experience attempting to photograph small things.
Fungi 1
Fungi 1...
Fungi 2
Fungi 2...

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Oct 28, 2013 10:49:59   #
Peekayoh
 
I think you understand it pretty well, Dave. You can't get away from basic physics or optics if you prefer, it all comes down to magnification and the more you magnify, the shallower falls the DOF.

Where it all falls down is that the smaller sensor gives you more apparent DOF but it needs more magnification when you come to print, it's swings and roundabouts. That's where sensor density really becomes a factor, if you choose a small sensor for the DOF advantage close up, you really need a very high density to combat the larger sensor's size advantage but you have that in the RX100 although you need to watch the noise.

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