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Jun 30, 2013 09:45:53   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
heyrob wrote:
Did you bother to read the article? If you had your question would have been answered. First, the CDC was instructed to do the study as one of 23 items ordered by Obama.

Second an early paragraph states clearly "Some have posed the logical question as to why the CDC would become involved in such a study which focuses on gun violence when the priority of the agency lies in the preventing and control of diseases. The academic community chose to study gun violence as a public health problem, partly because, according to the study, “Violence, including firearm related violence, has been shown to be contagious.” Therefore, gun violence is being studied in the same manner of a contagious disease."

Perhaps you should have actually read the article before posting.
Did you bother to read the article? If you had you... (show quote)


RLKurth was simply exhibiting a common liberal reaction to anything that disagrees with their view of the world. Why read it and consider the other side of the argument when you can simply claim it is nonsense and move on?

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Jun 30, 2013 10:05:53   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Leicaflex wrote:
Well actually, we do not live in a police state as you put it. We do not know what a police state is? The fact is, our police force works for and protects the citizens of the nation. Not all our police officer's carry weapons, there is not need. We are a nation of free men and women and if we start to worry about our government, we simply vote them out.


evidently you arent free enough to own a gun...is your government afraid of the populace???
yup, freedom at its finest..
"Im here from the police (govt) & Im here to help you" & if you believe that.....

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Jun 30, 2013 10:08:42   #
lovesphotos Loc: Colorado and Arizona
 
Let's look at it this way. Even if all the guns went away, the crime will not. See how simple that is?

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Jun 30, 2013 10:10:09   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Did you read the study?

It was found that there are vast differences in who is more likely to become a victim of gun violence, with primary factors lying in socioeconomic status and ethnicity. Homicide rates were shown to be significantly higher in African Americans, while suicide rates were higher in Caucasians.

Additionally, the study concluded that high rates of poverty, illicit drug trafficking and substance use all increase the risk of becoming involved in gun violence. In addition, “criminals often engage in violence as a means to acquire money, goods or other rewards.”

Gun violence seems to be the result of poverty. Thus, ownership is not the problem and no one wants to take away the gun you are more than likely to use to shoot yourself, but that is another question.

So to reduce gun violence we have to substantially reduce poverty. As the saying goes teach a man to fish, etc.

Fund education. Stop denying our youth a path out of poverty. Increase taxes for specific programs like education.

I know we are so in debt that we cannot afford it. Want to see real debt - don't educate our youth!

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Jun 30, 2013 10:13:27   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Are you seriously afraid of some criminal busting into your house and you having to defend it?

see:

https://www.peoplewise.com/show/neighborhood?gclid=CIOw_fn6i7gCFWlp7AodtkgA3g

The site will allow you to see just how threatened you are.

BTW if you own more than one gun which you bought for defense you own too many guns!

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Jun 30, 2013 10:23:13   #
EdJ0307 Loc: out west someplace
 
Leicaflex wrote:
We are rather fortunate where we live, the only people allowed to carry and use guns/weapons are the police and the military! . . . not having to buy guns and ammunition's, you can spend on photography.
Just a thought!!
Are the weapons mentioned things like knives, baseball bats, bows and arrows, automobiles, ropes, monkey wrenches, etc? Saw a video recently that took place at a wedding. Seems some photographers got into a heated argument. One of the photogs flung a camera at another photog. Looks like cameras can be used as weapons, also.

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Jun 30, 2013 11:31:34   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
ole sarg wrote:
Are you seriously afraid of some criminal busting into your house and you having to defend it?

see:

https://www.peoplewise.com/show/neighborhood?gclid=CIOw_fn6i7gCFWlp7AodtkgA3g

The site will allow you to see just how threatened you are.

BTW if you own more than one gun which you bought for defense you own too many guns!


Did you bother to try your own link before posting? Didn't think so. For starters you didn't remove the "s" from the https://, and second if you had you would discover it goes to the people wise home page with no useful information.

As for how many guns I own, it's none of anyone else's business. Besides, who said I bought them all for self-defense? Now before your little under developed mind takes that comment and goes off down some fanciful path to criminal activity or something, keep this in mind. I am a former firearms safety instructor, I am a former county cop, and most importantly I am a life long lover of the principles this country was founded upon, and am heart sick to see what it is becoming at the hands of the liberal, progressive crowd.

If you ever bothered to read the Federalist Papers or the writings of Thomas Jefferson, you would have a factual understanding of how and why the Constitution was written and why they chose to guarantee that government (and other small minded people) could not infringe upon our right to keep and bear arms. Just as importantly, you would understand that all these silly programs like Obamacare are outside the power granted to the Federal government and are therefore strictly the domain of the states or the people themselves. So if you're so willing to pay for all these programs to help the lazy, wonderful I applaud you sir, but write your own damn check and get your hands out of my pocket!

And therein lies the lesson here, if you try to steal my money on the street, I can use my gun to resist you. What happens when it's the federal government committing armed robbery in the name of some social programs? That's not armed robbery you claim? Don't pay your taxes and see how fast the men with guns at their side are at your door to collect. That is armed robbery in my book. I am being coerced by force to give up my money to someone else against my will. So there you have the most important reason for gun ownership. The fact that a huge part of the populace is armed and capable of resisting them, is the biggest obstacle to their completely unrestrained tyranny.

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Jun 30, 2013 11:49:32   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Leicaflex wrote:
We are rather fortunate where we live, the only people allowed to carry and use guns/weapons are the police and the military! Seems to work quite well, been like this for the last hundred and fifty years. Cannot understand why more countries don't try it and all the money you save, not having to buy guns and ammunition's, you can spend on photography.
Just a thought!!


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Jun 30, 2013 12:04:44   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
ole sarg wrote:
Did you read the study?

It was found that there are vast differences in who is more likely to become a victim of gun violence, with primary factors lying in socioeconomic status and ethnicity. Homicide rates were shown to be significantly higher in African Americans, while suicide rates were higher in Caucasians.

Additionally, the study concluded that high rates of poverty, illicit drug trafficking and substance use all increase the risk of becoming involved in gun violence. In addition, “criminals often engage in violence as a means to acquire money, goods or other rewards.”

Gun violence seems to be the result of poverty. Thus, ownership is not the problem and no one wants to take away the gun you are more than likely to use to shoot yourself, but that is another question.

So to reduce gun violence we have to substantially reduce poverty. As the saying goes teach a man to fish, etc.

Fund education. Stop denying our youth a path out of poverty. Increase taxes for specific programs like education.

I know we are so in debt that we cannot afford it. Want to see real debt - don't educate our youth!
Did you read the study? br br It was found that t... (show quote)


If we educate our youth, as you suggest, the democratic party will disappear.

That being said I agree with you on this. We do not need more taxes to increase education. We need common sense. Student loan interest is increasing because Obama wants to keep the rate where it is while many in Congress want to lower the rate. Therefore they have done nothing.

How many students could we education if we just with held a tenth of the money we give to other countries as foreign aid?

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Jun 30, 2013 12:52:28   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
ole sarg wrote:
Are you seriously afraid of some criminal busting into your house and you having to defend it?

see:

https://www.peoplewise.com/show/neighborhood?gclid=CIOw_fn6i7gCFWlp7AodtkgA3g

The site will allow you to see just how threatened you are.

BTW if you own more than one gun which you bought for defense you own too many guns!


Are YOU seriously afraid for your life??...YOU have said you carry a 9 mm..whats good for the goose...
if YOU feel threatened why shoulndt other folks feel threatened..
threatened or not we still have the right to carry or not to carry''
our decision ..not yours..

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Jun 30, 2013 12:55:51   #
Leicaflex Loc: Cymru
 
Underwaterant wrote:
SURE !!!
Look at what happened in Britain with the mad, barbaric muslims killing that poor man.
Police don't even have guns and it took around 20-30min. for armed police to arrive.
All because they think it's quaint to have police without firearms to protect the public.
The anti-gun nuts here in Australia have an unpublicised agenda to disarm the police and defence force.
Would that be nice and cosy for you?
Sadly, you think all you need is your camera and no other life, perhaps.
Sadly, too many people like you and your family are brutally murdered regularly and hardly make a headline these days and are only statistics to keep an academic, who has no life, in employment.
SURE !!! br Look at what happened in Britain with... (show quote)

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Jun 30, 2013 13:00:42   #
Audwulf Loc: Golden State
 
They did it because President Obuma told them to do it.
RLKurth wrote:
WTH does the CDC (Center for Disease Control) have to do with gun violence? People shooting people is just wrong, but it's not a disease is it. Unless it involves bacteria or other biologicals the CDC should keep it's nose out of areas it wasn't designed to do.

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Jun 30, 2013 13:03:02   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
ole sarg wrote:
Are you seriously afraid of some criminal busting into your house and you having to defend it?

see:

https://www.peoplewise.com/show/neighborhood?gclid=CIOw_fn6i7gCFWlp7AodtkgA3g

The site will allow you to see just how threatened you are.

BTW if you own more than one gun which you bought for defense you own too many guns!


BTW..who the hell are you telling anyone how many guns they own is too many...whether its one or none or dozens...
first its one...then its none...unless its Sarge & his trusty 9mm..

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Jun 30, 2013 13:05:43   #
Audwulf Loc: Golden State
 
Really helped in 1914 and 1939, didn't it ?
Leicaflex wrote:
We are rather fortunate where we live, the only people allowed to carry and use guns/weapons are the police and the military! Seems to work quite well, been like this for the last hundred and fifty years. Cannot understand why more countries don't try it and all the money you save, not having to buy guns and ammunition's, you can spend on photography.
Just a thought!!

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Jun 30, 2013 13:07:24   #
AUminer Loc: Brandon, Ms
 
The Pres. tasked the CDC with doing this study by way of executive order. It is rightfully, in my opinion, argued that much of the gun violence occurring in multiple murders and mass shootings is caused by mental instability in some form and since mental illness is a disease, the CDC has a reason to put it's "nose" into the matter.
RLKurth wrote:
WTH does the CDC (Center for Disease Control) have to do with gun violence? People shooting people is just wrong, but it's not a disease is it. Unless it involves bacteria or other biologicals the CDC should keep it's nose out of areas it wasn't designed to do.

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