Your Privacy ?
Jun 7, 2013 06:47:56 #
TimS wrote:
I hate it. Unfortunately, both Rs and Ds like it. I think it is bullshit. This is an egregious infraction of my constitutional rights. The govt has absolutely NO right to know anything about who I am calling unless I am suspected of a crime. I am not suspected of a crime. I have committed no crime. I have nothing to hide but that doesn't mean the govt has the right to spy on me.
how about spying on all those aliens he lets across the borders? You know the ones that come here and kill us! The ones Obama sends all that money to
Jun 7, 2013 07:42:13 #
Fourth Amendment
The Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution protects citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures. The Fourth Amendment states, The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The purpose of the Fourth Amendment is to uphold the privacy and security of individual persons against subjective invasions by the government and its officials. When the government violates an individuals expectation of privacy, then an unlawful search has occurred. An individuals expectation of privacy can be defined as whether the individual expects their actions will be free from government intrusion.
The Fourth Amendment requires that searches meet a reasonableness standard. Reasonableness can weighted on the circumstances surrounding the search and by measuring the searchs overall intrusive nature against the legitimate interests of the government. A search will be unreasonable any time the government cannot prove that it was necessary. The government must show that there was probable cause for a search to be deemed Constitutional.
The Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution protects citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures. The Fourth Amendment states, The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The purpose of the Fourth Amendment is to uphold the privacy and security of individual persons against subjective invasions by the government and its officials. When the government violates an individuals expectation of privacy, then an unlawful search has occurred. An individuals expectation of privacy can be defined as whether the individual expects their actions will be free from government intrusion.
The Fourth Amendment requires that searches meet a reasonableness standard. Reasonableness can weighted on the circumstances surrounding the search and by measuring the searchs overall intrusive nature against the legitimate interests of the government. A search will be unreasonable any time the government cannot prove that it was necessary. The government must show that there was probable cause for a search to be deemed Constitutional.
Jun 7, 2013 08:03:19 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer... (show quote)
This is absolutely ridiculous!! What would happen if everyone cancelled their Verizon service!!! This is a gross violation of privacy. And the government did not even bother to tell anyone about it!! If you don't find that shocking, you deserve to have your line tapped. There oughta be an Uprising!!!
Jun 7, 2013 08:28:43 #
TimS
Loc: GA
Godthaab wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous!! What would happen if everyone cancelled their Verizon service!!! This is a gross violation of privacy. And the government did not even bother to tell anyone about it!! If you don't find that shocking, you deserve to have your line tapped. There oughta be an Uprising!!!
The only court order that was leaked was to Verizon. Anyone that thinks that the fictional hasn't been collecting information from ALL cell carriers operating withing the US borders is on drugs.
Jun 7, 2013 08:51:23 #
Jun 7, 2013 09:29:46 #
Jun 7, 2013 09:32:24 #
TimS wrote:
I hate it. Unfortunately, both Rs and Ds like it. I think it is bullshit. This is an egregious infraction of my constitutional rights. The govt has absolutely NO right to know anything about who I am calling unless I am suspected of a crime. I am not suspected of a crime. I have committed no crime. I have nothing to hide but that doesn't mean the govt has the right to spy on me.
Agreed.
Jun 7, 2013 09:33:20 #
RMM wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's been going on a lot longer than that. When we were setting up a new system for a major telecomm, a manager there alluded to equipment in the basement that was very much off limits. That was back around 1990. Maybe back then they actually bothered with warrants, but the technology was clearly in place.
There was a story in the LA Times in the 80's about all defense dept calls being routed through a central office for Pacific Bell (an ATT subsidiary at that time) with a tag line about monitoring of all calls - never a followup.
I suspect this has been going on for a very long time.
Jun 7, 2013 09:36:55 #
I made about 4 calls,and received about 6 calls on my cell phone last year.The people that called me were my wife,my daughter and my best friend.If the Govt. listened to my calls they must have been bored.However,I am still pissed about this violation of privacy.And don't get me started on the 2nd amendment.
Jun 7, 2013 09:45:23 #
You are all missing the point: It is a matter of TRUST. I have no problem with the government doing this kind of thing if I trust my government to be honest. I am terrified of the current administration (IRS, AP, etc.) and have no faith that they are looking out for our best interests. This government is a baby step away from totalitarianism.
Jun 7, 2013 09:58:59 #
So, what in your opinion should those who oppose this government intrusion do about it ?
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Jun 7, 2013 10:01:15 #
Kojack wrote:
You are all missing the point: It is a matter of TRUST. I have no problem with the government doing this kind of thing if I trust my government to be honest. I am terrified of the current administration (IRS, AP, etc.) and have no faith that they are looking out for our best interests. This government is a baby step away from totalitarianism.
This government is no different from the last one in this respect. Congress gets its panties in a wad about all sorts of things that are a colossal waste of time and our taxes, and passes legislation like the Patriot Act, which would have done George Orwell proud.
Jun 7, 2013 10:01:27 #
Most governments I have experienced -- and I am 75 -- have been but a few short steps away from totalitarianism. All you need is one congressman or government official in some strategic and powerful position to abuse the Constitution and the people's rights and you have a bit of dictatorship.
Kojack wrote:
You are all missing the point: It is a matter of TRUST. I have no problem with the government doing this kind of thing if I trust my government to be honest. I am terrified of the current administration (IRS, AP, etc.) and have no faith that they are looking out for our best interests. This government is a baby step away from totalitarianism.
Jun 7, 2013 10:03:11 #
I don't think it correct to state that both Democrats and Republicans like this spying on phone calls. There may be some who like it, but there are a lot in each party who don't.
RMM wrote:
Agreed.
Jun 7, 2013 10:03:46 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer... (show quote)
Richard94611 wrote:
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer... (show quote)
Hello Richard,
Electronic-ease-dropping has taken place for over a decade, but over the last 7 years or so, supercomputers have been deployed software that will collect and correlate the sender's name, location of call, any criminal data, or directed watch directives, facial data, voice print, actual call routing, AND the same for the receiver of the call or message. It will correlate much of this info based on freq. of contacts or locations of either. They will do predictive analysis for movements. Field commanders and CIA/FBI agents have access to the predictive elements and other information. Messages are read by supercomputers and interpreted based on the subjects metadata. Such analyses have resulted in many terrorist interceptions.
If you are interested in this subject, I highly recommend reading "Counterstrike" by Schmidt and others.
--Tim
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