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Jun 6, 2013 23:39:41   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer, but although I have supported Obama in many things, here's where I cannot. That Verizon's phone data (and probably that of every other phone company) about you is being collected by the government. Hey, you conservatives, which side on this one do you take -- that in the interests of security we should monitor everyone's phone calls without probably cause, or that this is a disgrace ? I would love to know how you feel about this rape of privacy.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/06/06

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Jun 7, 2013 00:07:22   #
Ambrose Loc: North America
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer, but although I have supported Obama in many things, here's where I cannot. That Verizon's phone data (and probably that of every other phone company) about you is being collected by the government. Hey, you conservatives, which side on this one do you take -- that in the interests of security we should monitor everyone's phone calls without probably cause, or that this is a disgrace ? I would love to know how you feel about this rape of privacy.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/06/06
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer... (show quote)


Here's where it get's scarier. The order has been in place for years, and other phone companies face the same requirement. The program is authorized under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, the broad antiterrorism legislation that was signed into law right after 9/11.
Yep - it's George's baby, and Obama adopted it. A bipartisan fix.

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Jun 7, 2013 00:10:02   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer, but although I have supported Obama in many things, here's where I cannot. That Verizon's phone data (and probably that of every other phone company) about you is being collected by the government. Hey, you conservatives, which side on this one do you take -- that in the interests of security we should monitor everyone's phone calls without probably cause, or that this is a disgrace ? I would love to know how you feel about this rape of privacy.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/06/06
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer... (show quote)


This is not news...even Republicans call it necessary. If you're not up to something you've go nothing to worry about. If you've got something to worry about then stop electronic communications...just that simple if you want to keep it a secret don't mention it online, the phone or in text. There is no such thing as privacy. Thank you Patriot Act.

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Jun 7, 2013 00:21:43   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Ambrose and RixPix don't seem to agree. So how do the rest of you feel ?

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Jun 7, 2013 01:00:53   #
Remoman Loc: Someplace Remote Near LA
 
You do realize this has been going on since Bush?
And I would be happy if my mail is read if it prevents a terror attack or prevents some deaths.

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Jun 7, 2013 01:11:34   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
Yep a Bush deal, Bush was/is closer to being a Democrat than any Republican I can recall in fact I really don't know why he's a Republican unless it's just a family thing. I'll never understand why the Democrats didn't like him, maybe it was his pro life position.

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Jun 7, 2013 01:14:58   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
I'm pretty sure it's been going on a lot longer than that. When we were setting up a new system for a major telecomm, a manager there alluded to equipment in the basement that was very much off limits. That was back around 1990. Maybe back then they actually bothered with warrants, but the technology was clearly in place.

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Jun 7, 2013 01:15:08   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
It has been going on for about 7 years that we know of, maybe longer.

Remoman wrote:
You do realize this has been going on since Bush?
And I would be happy if my mail is read if it prevents a terror attack or prevents some deaths.

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Jun 7, 2013 01:17:23   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Do we have a right to privacy ? Just asking your opinion. And if so, where does it stop ?

Personally I don't care what the govt knows about me. I am too old and tired to care.


Remoman wrote:
You do realize this has been going on since Bush?
And I would be happy if my mail is read if it prevents a terror attack or prevents some deaths.

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Jun 7, 2013 01:33:35   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Do we have a right to privacy ? Just asking your opinion. And if so, where does it stop ?

Personally I don't care what the govt knows about me. I am too old and tired to care.


I agree that it's wrong and is an invasion of our privacy but like you I really don't care. If they want to waste their time listening to my calls or reading my e-mail I don't care.

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Jun 7, 2013 05:34:43   #
TimS Loc: GA
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Ambrose and RixPix don't seem to agree. So how do the rest of you feel ?


I hate it. Unfortunately, both Rs and Ds like it. I think it is bullshit. This is an egregious infraction of my constitutional rights. The govt has absolutely NO right to know anything about who I am calling unless I am suspected of a crime. I am not suspected of a crime. I have committed no crime. I have nothing to hide but that doesn't mean the govt has the right to spy on me.

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Jun 7, 2013 05:47:13   #
cameraniac Loc: Huntingburg, Indiana
 
Do you big babies feel safe enough yet?

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Jun 7, 2013 06:18:03   #
Makaipi Loc: Lexington, South Carolina
 
Where are your papers? :wink:

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Jun 7, 2013 06:22:01   #
Kombiguy Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
 
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Jun 7, 2013 06:45:31   #
user11850
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer, but although I have supported Obama in many things, here's where I cannot. That Verizon's phone data (and probably that of every other phone company) about you is being collected by the government. Hey, you conservatives, which side on this one do you take -- that in the interests of security we should monitor everyone's phone calls without probably cause, or that this is a disgrace ? I would love to know how you feel about this rape of privacy.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/06/06
Don't fall off your chair in front of the computer... (show quote)


I can't imagine what you have supported him in. There is so much bad about him its hard to see anything good he has done. He is just the puppet for someone else and probably not anyone from this country.

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