TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

It was a joke.

I have a hard time believing that there was no designer for all this.

Gnslngr

Could be. But I doubt she's made herself known to us.

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

I hope She is a fox, wouldn't Heaven be great with a foxy God?

If you think God does not have a sense of humor where do you think we got it?

Gnslngr

We got it out of necessity. To overcome the idiocy of man.

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

I think if we did not laugh there would be a lot more murders.

Gnslngr

And a lot less if we abandoned religion.

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

And a lot less if we abandoned religious radicals.

Good people are not the problem it is the "nut cases".

Gnslngr

Train, think about this: Jesus had a religion. He was jewish. Yet, in his name, for centuries, christians tortured, killed and persecuted followers of Judaism. Would your alleged "son of god" approve of that? It was mainstream thought in christianity at one time. It was the belief of ordinary, mild mannered men that jews were less than human at one time. Their religious leaders told them so.

"Good" people who believe that their religion gives them the right to dictate to others how to live their lives are in fact the problem. "Good" people who sincerely pretend that god tells them to fight marriage equality are the problem. "Good" people who deny the truths that man's scientific searching has taught them are the problem.

Religion is the problem, really. Stop make believe and you stop magical thinking, you stop arrogant and undeserved judgement, you stop much bigotry and hatred. You stop the needless emotional, physical and real torture that religion brings us.

Just ask a woman whose genitals have been mutilated in the name of god.

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

They are not "good" people. They are the "nut cases".

I am amazed at how people can read the Bible and come up with this treatment of other people. It is their own ideas that they say come from the Bible that cause this. Not what it says in the Bible. I think it is a mistake to blame the Bible for what some people do "in the name of religion". They are doing it on their own.

A lot of people blame the Jews for killing Jesus but The Bible says he "gave up his life willingly". Their thinking is so distorted that I can't believe it.
And if he had not died on the cross they could not be saved so they should be happy. Distorted thinking by them isn't it?

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Nut: I have a hard time believing that there was no designer for all this.


Gnslngr: Could be. But I doubt she's made herself known to us.


Nagy: If it is true, who designed the designer? Why is the designer exempt from the axiom that whatever exists had to be designed?

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Mary Clark: you prefer to have our children given no knowledge of God or the bible, but its probably ok for them in you way of thinking to let them be exposed to all the evil world has to offer, same sex marriage drugs, not believing in anything having no hope and turning out empty. No morals. If we are wrong,all be well for you but if we are not,hate to be in your shoes

Nagy: Although this is rambling and incoherent, I will answer a few of its points that poke through the fog.

Postulating that the Bible is the source of morality is an utterly irrational conclusion. There are few entities, real or imaginary, that exceed the Old Testament god for immorality. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is a perfect example, one of many. That god is guilty of the following:

1. Favoritism. He saves Lot from the brimstone, even though Lot tried to prostitute his own daughters to the perverts of Sodom, and later impregnated them. His excuse, drunkenness, is typical of molesters, but invalid. A man too drunk to recognize his own daughters cannot possibly perform sexually. Alcohol is a strong depressant.

2. Misogyny. God murders Lot's wife for the very minor offenses of incidental disobedience and curiosity. He turned her into a pillar of salt just for looking over her shoulder at the destruction behind Lot's party.

3. Collective Punishment. God destroyed two entire cities on the pretext that everyone there was guilty of the same offense. Any community of appreciable size has children who have not reached the age of reason, therefore are not morally responsible for their actions. Moreover, it is an abject lie that in any such community a unanimity of the adults would engage in the same act. Human behavior is too complex and varied for that. In other words, the human and therefore fallible Geneva Conventions proscribe collective punishment, but the all-perfect god blatantly resorts to it.

4. Cruel and Unusual Punishment. The fallible human 8th Amendment proscribes cruel and unusual punishment, but the allegedly perfect god murders everyone in two cities, in the opinion of most Biblical scholars for engaging in homosexual behavior. Once again the fallible human institutions are increasingly becoming too advanced for that, but god was not. There should be no punishment at all for homosexual behavior.

Mary Clark's listing of same sex marriage as an evil is typical of a person of her mentality. She zeroes in on a behavior, which between consenting adults is not harmful, and which prevails in much of the animal kingdom, and condemns it abjectly.

She adds "not believing in anything having no hope and turning out empty" as further charges, apparently against those who accept no religion. It seems to me that people like Gnslngr are far from empty, but Mary Clark is extremely vapid.

She further states that they (nonbelievers) also have "no morals." This is in abject contradiction of the facts. Atheists are arrested and have conviction rates significantly lower than any individual sect. Those whose morals are connected with the fear of a vengeful god have no morals at all; they are only intimidated into proper behavior.

Her conclusion is as irrational, of course, as the rest of the post: "If we are wrong,all be well for you but if we are not,hate to be in your shoes"

This is irrationality taken to stratospheric heights. Anyone can postulate a creation myth, and also make the creator the custodian of faith and morals. Whoever does not believe, and behave, is destroyed. When dozens of such fanciful stories are created, any one of them may be the right one, even though logic indicates that none are. In that case, a person could just roll the dice, and if he guesses wrong, he is in the same shoes as those who had the insight and courage to admit that all the stories are nonsense.

Prediction: Mary Clark will either not respond to this post at all, or respond with generalities that religiously avoid addressing a single point I made. What she most assuredly will not do is respond to me point by point. She can't.

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

That is a good question that I can not answer.

magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida

Or a man for that matter. :thumbup:

magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida

rpavich?

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

Thanks I did not realize that. :thumbup:
I thought maybe Al Gore did. :roll: :thumbup: