Harvey wrote:
A quick "speed read" of the info I could find leads me to my conclusion that these were children raised and taught in a strict Catholic family and area. Much believing the strict teaching/brain washing of the Catholic doctrine. Reading their supposed statements are just echos of threats and supposed promises by the clergy.
The images of both heaven and hell - painted, drawn. preached then and today are strictly the imagination of the peoples being lead by the "Snake Oil Sales People" who continue to spread this fiction.
Don't get me wrong - I am all for a basic Christian way of life.
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I agree with that conclusion. When Catholics and other Christians (all Protestant churches are branch offs of the Catholic Church) who were raised to believe in hell flames and heavenly love/acceptance die, let's say on the operating table or in an accident, and they are revived... almost every one of them tells of their out of body experience, going toward hell flames or being drawn "into the light" and even describe a city with streets of gold and all that stuff just as described in the Bible they were raised with. They believed, or at least had been taught, these things before having their experience and they come back with the goal of verifying that what they already believed is true.
A Buddhist, Muslim, or Cherokee Indian would not come back from death with the same experiences that a Christian did. No revived human has ever come back and claimed that they had been surrounded with blackness, had no thoughts, and saw nothing as though they didn't exist - so there's something that goes on with the spirit when it leaves the body in a spirit world.
While the links you gave are interesting and likely true, mainstream Christianity got this Heaven and Hell scenario from a drama/comedy play by Dante called "Inferno." which was performed for a Roman Emperor. The Emperor just loved it and wanted everyone in Rome to see it too. The leadership of the Universal Church of Rome, which eventually became the Roman Catholic Church, wanted to boost their power, financial gains, and favoritism with the Emperor so, get this, they incorporated the Heaven being angels sitting on fluffy clouds and the burning tar pits and flames of Hell with demons in red suits prodding sinners for eternity into the Bible. That was in the 4th Century AD if I remember right without going back to books documenting it.
I also understand that the word hell was used in Germany to describe a place in the ground to store potatoes for the winter. You put your potato crop in hell until the weather got better. So that was incorporated into the Bible as a term that, as one of your articles verifies, is very loosely used to cover several different meanings. For example, "Jesus descended into hell and..." No, Jesus was put into a cavern, cave, or whatever as a burial site. That is storage of a body in the ground so it got translated into going into hell or being put in hell. Nowhere does Jesus himself claim he's going to Hell to do battle with Satan and come out victorious as the all powerful Champion of Love. Christianity has created all of that to make Jesus Christ into a spiritual superstar, which really isn't necessary. Just the fact that he came back as a spiritual entity who could walk through walls and talk to the grieving Disciples to prove that there is life after death, and he had already ascended into the spirit world to become one with God before doing so, is plenty amazing enough. It is of no concern to me whether his body was resurrected or stolen by believers. It's his spirit that is important not his flesh body. The church also likes to keep us in fear of God's wrath with "fire and brimstone" preaching of going to hell if you're a sinner to burn for all eternity or trust them to lead you to salvation and away from damnation. Jesus didn't teach that. Look at a Bible where his words are in red and you won't see him talking about burning in hell anywhere.
It's been my believe for some time now that the Bible is so screwed up by intentional mistranslations to push or create somebody's agenda that you can't trust it as the Truth. I believe that you follow a path of righteousness, love for others, and being generous with your time, efforts, and possessions, which pleases God, then you die and re-enter the realm of God from which your spirit came when you were conceived. I view God (and Heaven as well), not as a person or singular entity, but as an ocean of all positive knowledge to tap into while here and to become part of after physical death - as well as the source of all life force in all living entities and love. Spiritualists know this as "The Ether." If you do your best to become completely positive in the lives of everyone and everything while in the physical realm, you can return there and become part of God, Heaven, or the Ether. If not, and this is controversial, I believe you come back to the physical realm again (reincarnation) to go through another life and hopefully get the clue the next time - over and over like a merry-go-round. Then once you get it, you are off the merry-go-round of being stuck here and go home to become part of the universal ocean of everything positive known as God, Allah, Jehovah, or whatever. Thus - this world with all the corruption and evil that is man-made IS hell. Hell being eternal separation from God which your spirit doesn't enjoy until you get with the program and escape it.
I believe in reincarnation, not as an animal or as a bug, but as another human. I've met at least a dozen people in my life that I just knew immediately that I had known before. First Century Christians knew about reincarnation, many believed in it, and it was common knowledge. Jesus even asked "who do the people think I am?" And the answer was larger than life Jewish characters from the past. Jesus never denies reincarnation is valid, didn't admonish anybody for believing in it, and may have actually been Noah, Elijah, Moses, and others in previous lives, for all we know, as he learned more and more from each life span until he ascended into "heaven" as the first (but not only) Son of God. Archaeologists now know that Jesus traveled and studied in Eastern countries during the "lost years" and he is to this day well-renowned in India as a Guru with extraordinary powers he developed through serious meditation (prayer) to God within himself. That history can't be denied because it's fact and the influence of Eastern religions upon what Jesus taught can't be denied either. That would explain why he didn't rebuke anyone who implied or said he was a reincarnation of someone highly respected from an earlier time period.
Which is the long way of saying that the "Heaven and Hell" theory we are all subjected to is HOGWASH.