MT Shooter,

What values and standards do you live by?

You just slandered me with a lie. You claimed I made a false statement in the D500 ad. I did not.

If that single ad were the only buy/sell/trade ad here at the HOG that was derailed, I wouldn't be speaking out against behavior that I feel to be unacceptable. Unfortunately the buy/sell/trade section has many threads become tainted or derailed.

Hello rpavich,

You have responded to this thread with some colorful and quite adequately worded sentences. Unfortunately, you have neglected to remain on topic. Is it possible for you to explicitly state your position on trespassing? Are you open to anyone getting into your business dealings? Or to affect your business dealings with a negative comment or irrelevant derailment?

This thread doesn't readily show which members respect one another here, but it is certainly obvious who do not.

I have breached this subject because I care for myself and other members here. I have had a for sale derailed and false implications to my character right here at the HOG. Another poor member had his ad made into a multi-page tax counselling session.

You are posting in critique of my thread, no problem. Will you answer this question, without digression? Is it acceptable to you for someone to get into your business dealings without being asked? A simple yes or no would suffice.

This is a community. In my communities, I voice my opinion and will work towards improving where I feel there is a need. You can take a stand and say that trespassing into another members business is ok. Fine if that is what you believe. I believe otherwise.

It is good that we discuss this issue, thank you for your participation.

I do not recollect you calling anyone in particular a scammer in this thread and I do not accuse you as such. You did make these statements in this thread; "unless of course the for sale posting is a scam" and "As for scammers, they are usually pretty obvious". I seriously cannot grasp how someone can judge, without a doubt, an ad to be a scam. An opinion does not constitute solid evidence of anything other than there is an opinion. Calling an innocent person a scammer is slander.

I agree that transaction feedback should be more prevalent.

The below quote came from the ad linked here. http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-474455-1.html

"Cash Only. No Trades, no credit cards, no paypal, no wire transfers, no cashiers checks, no partial payments, no scams. Would prefer local sale in San Diego as that's where I'm located. If you're not local and are a serious buyer we can discuss how to work something out, but know upfront I will not ship it anywhere without full payment received and cleared first, and I will not ship outside US. Sorry to seem so serious, but there are just too scams out there, and I won't risk being burned."

The person quite clearly stated a preference for local sale which is safe for both buyer and seller. But the ad was flamed by more than one member as a scam. It appeared to me a person covering their butt rather than an attempted scam. Did the person attempt a scam or just join here to try to make a sale? The only thing we can know for sure is that a possible asset to this community is long gone due to the treatment from some members here.

Well stated TriX, your input is appreciated.

I hear ya there.

We will just have to disagree at the appropriateness of sticking one's nose in another members business. It is not for you, or me, to decide other members logic. Neither is it our business to slander a person without solid evidence by calling them a scammer.

Your business is yours and should be respected. Other members business should also be respected. Unfortunately some folks think they are special and behave inappropriately.

If you are defending ad tainters, I along with other members hear you.

The internet is pretty much exactly like the television. It was an awesome concept at its inception. Both have provided greatly to humanity. Unfortunately the free market exploits these wonderful developments for the gain of money and or power with no concern of the fallout it may produce. Seems that all things are double edged swords once humanity gets wind of them.

There has been some detrimental behavior by some members here in tainting another members for sale ad. This is a behavior exclusive to this site alone.

Be advised, effective immediately, I will be showing the entire membership when I see a member trespassing another member's for sale listing.

If you are not interested in making a purchase of a listed item, keep your self away from the ad. Serious buyers can use the personal message feature. Unsolicited opinions are not welcome to the posting member.

For those who are not aware, this site has a section for posting ads to sell off, trade or buy photography gear. Unfortunately the administration has turned a blind eye to this section and allowed some extreme behaviour by a few members. Simple rules could be implemented and enforced to curtail such behavior.

What is going on in that forum is; there are members who have no interest at all in a listed item(s) for sale but choose to post negative remarks that affect the potential for the posting member to make a sale. Why some members think they should be getting involved in another member's business, I have no clue. This is the only photographic website that I have seen with such childish behavior.

In any event, I have been involved in being smeared and am quite upset over it. As a result I have decided to call these people out when I see them tainting someone else's ad. I will be taking quotes from their posting and include a link so everyone can see who they are and how they are trespassing. Hopefully the good members here will support this strategy in cleaning up a poorly monitored area of the HOG.

What you have stated +1. It sure makes a person wonder why this is the only site for such poor etiquette by some of its members.

Let's take a look at recent events with the demonstration of the hate groups. Regular folks have had enough and are now calling BS and outing those who exhibit hate.

Although some good members here have made statements on occasion, and I applaud them for their courage, I have to ask. Why are many good members here so reluctant to address the issue of the turds who lambast the buy/sale/trade section of this site? Maybe you have not posted in the for sale forum and been gang banged yet.

Good members of this site, join with me and the few others who speak against the poor behaviour of these few members who are derailing good members ads.

If you are not seriously interested in the item(s) for sale, stay away from the ad. It is common courtesy to the fellow members who have posted in this section.

Here are read and write results from CrystakDiaskMark. The tests were done using a Lexar USB 3.0 SD card reader and a Lexar 2000x SD, 300 MB/s card. One test in a USB 2.0 slot and the other in a USB 3.0 slot, pretty obvious which is which.

Yes it will have much to do with the outcome you are after. Here is a link to get to know the features.
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/microsite/picturecontrol/picture/
For raw shooters, flat gives the closest to what was captured. Unless some of the values were changed in the flat category. If you use Lightroom, you can sample the different looks by selecting a camera picture control under the camera calibration, profile.

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His impression at the start of the video are what I was thinking when hearing of the specs. DX and FX truly in one body, and, the equivalency of a high end DX body at that. Awesome for landscape, studio, sports and wildlife. Time will tell the true nature of the beast, but it does sound inviting.

And beyond that, how are your values set? I am only familiar with Nikon and have set Picture Control to flat with all values at zero, shoot in raw. There is no right or wrong way but am curious how others approach this for post processing purposes. Of course jpeg shooters who do not post process would need there desired profiles set before shooting.