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Nov 2, 2018 08:22:52   #
MarcH Loc: Doylestown Pa
 
I have had a FF mirroless ,Sony a7ii ,since it came out and it is outstanding
The a7iii is the next generation and also has had excellent reviews.
The lens selection ,albeit expensive is terrific.
Go FF mirroless and Nikon and Canon new mirroless cameras have had mediocre reviews at best

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Nov 2, 2018 08:27:01   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Check out Olympus micro 4/3s. E-M1 mark II. Wide range of pro lenses, 5-axis in-camera stabilization, excellent image quality. The negative is no compatibility with your Nikon lenses. Regardless of which way you go, I’d hold off on the 850 while you’re checking out mirrorless. I can tell you, based on my experience, that once you lighten your load, you may never want to go back to the heavy and bulky gear. I hope you have a good camera store near you so that you can hold the gear in your hands. Try the camera with the heaviest lens you think you’d ever realistically acquire. Have fun in your search!

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Nov 2, 2018 08:30:20   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
billnikon wrote:
So, mirrorless has come a long way BUT, it is not equaled the lens selection that Canon and Nikon currently offer, and won't in my lifetime.


I wish you a long and happy life--you don't wish what you say.

This may have been true three or five years ago but is not today. The only area where Sony still needs to catch up is in the long telephoto range. But even here Sony is closing the gap: they recently issued a professional 400mm lens that can keep up with Canon and Nikon.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1369634-REG/sony_fe_400mm_f_2_8_gm.html?ap=y&c3api=2572%2C113041717267&gclid=CjwKCAjw6-_eBRBXEiwA-5zHaYrXfQBlCYHcSFtLq2qMWYsXYz_xYk9Iny1NYpsVnIC-p1YxVjBN8hoC1XoQAvD_BwE&smp=y

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Nov 2, 2018 08:38:35   #
hammond
 
All of this is somewhat subjective to individual wants/needs, but IMO:

1. Mirrorless battery life is still problematic. I don't want to carry a bunch of batteries around and deal with replacing them often.

2. I don't care about the size/bulkyness. I feel like the D500 fits nicely in my hand. The mirrorless cameras I've held felt kinda small, but maybe I'd get used to it over time.

3. For birds and action sports, the D500 is a great camera.

4. The D850 is going to be a great camera for years to come. If you want a FF with a high pixel count to balance out the crop-sensor you have in the D500, I think it's a great option.
I've got my eyes on the D850 as well - and would prefer it to a mirrorless at this point in time.

5. If you've invested in a lot of glass for your D500, then sticking with Nikon is probably a good idea: perhaps some of your lenses won't work on FF, but most probably will.

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Nov 2, 2018 08:38:59   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.


So Canon is also an electronics company? Got it....

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Nov 2, 2018 08:54:23   #
MarcH Loc: Doylestown Pa
 
added a grip to my a7ii and it provides the proper bulk

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Nov 2, 2018 08:57:29   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I am only familiar with Olympus. I have never used one but from what I know their EM-1 Mk II is a pretty good camera for wildlife photography. Not perfect but pretty good.
If your main interest is wildlife photography you are going to be better off with your D500 than with mirrorless. I do not believe there is a mirrorless camera with the capabilities of the AF system of the D500. The small cameras with those huge lenses like your 500mm f4 in my humble opinion defeat the purpose of going lighter and smaller.
If I were you I would wait.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:04:50   #
russjc001 Loc: South Carolina
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.

But that's a good thing. DxOMark, Samsung, Apple, Nikon, and Olympus use Sony sensors. 🤔👍

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Nov 2, 2018 09:05:41   #
sct198 Loc: West of Nathrop, Co
 
That is a very bold statement since your Fugifilm XT-2 uses a Sony sensor. I can only assume that it is not a camera either.
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:13:27   #
pappleg
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Obviously, the decision is highly personal and regarding Canon and Nikon's entry to the market it is clearly too early to say whether or when to make the jump. I did and bought the Nikon Z7 and did so primarily for the weight. I had a D810 with Carl Zeiss Primes (21mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm) along with a Nikon 300PF ED and 1.4 and 1.7 converters. In my Think Tank backpack that amounted to 20+ lbs with aluminum tripod. The Z7 with 24-70 F4 and lens adapter for my 300mm chimes in at a grand total of 2.5 lbs. Next year adding the planned 14-30 F4 will cover most of my range needs and weigh in including everything still under ten lbs. It is not, as Steve Perry noted, a birder/wildlife camera but what camera out there serves every single photographer. By putting the Vibration Reduction unit in the camera body Nikon eliminated the need to put it in every lens saving both weight and cost (the three lenses released for it this year are 14-18 oz) so it was the right decision for me. I believe you are correct in estimating that camera makers will be leaning heavily toward mirrorless and downsized lenses to match so the future will likely produce something more suitable for action/sports/wildlife enthusiasts. Pat


Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)

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Nov 2, 2018 09:16:43   #
dbjazz Loc: Long Island, NY
 
If you are happy with your present gear, keep it. There is no reason to follow the crowd. Lemmings do that, and you know what happens to them.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:16:57   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)


Perhaps not for Birds or other Wildlife or say Sports Photography, I am looking at Fujifilm cameras and lenses for the photography that I actually do. I especially like the retro looking digital rangefinder mirrorless Fuji X-100 series and X-Pro series. I've purchased a used Fujifilm X-100T (Current model is X-100F), and I am thinking if I like this camera of buying a Fuji X-Pro2 and a few (3 or 4) lenses. Fujifilm cameras are all APS-C sensor but a Medium format model. I'm just learning about Fujifilm cameras the last few weeks.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:27:53   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Doel wrote:
I have three Sony lens that are equivalent to the Canon sizes, but really not pleased. Went through the whole set up of Sony . I guess it is lightweight. Oh well, will have to keep snapping.. lol


Agreed.
Unless you go M4/3 there is no real weight advantage with Sony. Their lenses that are the same focal lengths and speed are as big and heavy as Canon or Nikon or more so. The Sony size is a myth for lenses etc. And if you want small and light the Nikon 3XXX series and Canon SL2 and Rebel are generally lighter and very small.
And the real tragedy of Sony is they tried to do small, make it a fad and then made their mount diameter so small as to limit the ability to do the incredible things available to Canon and Nikon now.
If I wanted small I would definitely go M4/3 after observing this forum and looking at the products. An M4/3 200mm lens is equivalent to a Sony 400mm lens at half the size or more.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:32:17   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
sergio wrote:
The weight of a camera is mainly in lens and not in the body.
I sincerely cannot see the advantage of the mirrorless.


I agree with you. AND I think the mirrorless camera's are front heavy with a telephoto. I have tried several. BUT, I want to state that the new Sony 400 2.8 E is lighter than any other 400 2.8 on the market. But, I still prefer my new Nikon 500 5.6 lens coming in at 3.21 lbs.
The Nikon 400 2.8 is 8.36 lbs. and the Sony 400 2.8 is 6.37 lbs. SO, Sony is 2 pounds lighter and $800.00 more than the Nikon. BUT, each mounted on their respective bodies the Nikon will balance better on the D5 than the Sony on the A9. IMHO My hand holding the camera on the D5 feels just fine, my hand of the Sony A9 with the 400 should want to go forward on my left hand under the lens, ie. harder to hand hold even though the Sony 400 is lighter. IMHO Now, I have never held the new Sony 400, I have held the A9 with the 100-400 Sony coming in a 3 lbs. and it seemed heavy, so if I mounted a 400 which is twice as heavy it would be much more front heavy and therefore much harder to hand hold steadily. IMHO

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Nov 2, 2018 09:35:05   #
HarryBinNC Loc: Blue Ridge Mtns, No.Carolina, USA
 
sergio wrote:
The weight of a camera is mainly in lens and not in the body.
I sincerely cannot see the advantage of the mirrorless.


You can't? Maybe this will help!



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