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Nov 2, 2018 09:39:24   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)


Tough question. I would have to choose between Nikon and Fuji in order to be able to use my Nikon lenses. No matter which system you go with in mirrorless, you will be using an adapter in order to use your old lenses. I don't think Sony will use Nikon lenses, but then I am completely ignorant about Sony. I think If I were you I would wait for the next model FF mirrorless by Nikon, when they get all the Debut quirks fixed.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:39:32   #
BebuLamar
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Size and weight mean nothing to me. The exception is when I have to bring a camera that will fit into a pocket. Otherwise, I go for quality of image and ease of use. When I decide to buy a new camera, I always consult the comparison sites.

(Reviews) https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCameraStoreTV/videos
http://www.cameradecision.com/
http://cameras.reviewed.com/
http://camerasize.com/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
http://snapsort.com/compare
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu
Size and weight mean nothing to me. The exception... (show quote)


Size and weight do mean to me. I prefer small camera but I prefer heavy camera.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:41:00   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
hammond wrote:
5. If you've invested in a lot of glass for your D500, then sticking with Nikon is probably a good idea: perhaps some of your lenses won't work on FF, but most probably will.


Unlike Canon, all Nikon DX lenses work on FX cameras but the file size and resolution is less.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:44:27   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
Doel wrote:
I have a Sony A6000 and Canon DSLRs. Maybe I m doing something wrong, but I don’t find the mirrorless images as sharp , as nice , as the DSLR images. Does anyone else have this experience?


Nope. Quite the opposite. But then I have Nikons and Fujis.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:48:09   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
sergio wrote:
The weight of a camera is mainly in lens and not in the body.
I sincerely cannot see the advantage of the mirrorless.


Have you tried one? If not, then of course you can't see an advantage.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:48:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)


Keep what you have — for now. Wait for mirrorless generation 2 or 3.

No significant weight savings would be had by switching to equivalent mirrorless gear. You have to switch to Micro 4/3 to save significant weight.

Current flagship mirrorless bodies from Canon and Nikon are incomplete designs. If you’re going to go mirrorless now, switch to Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, or Fujifilm.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:49:24   #
Bill Koepsel Loc: Oconomowoc, Wisconsin
 
Sony is a camera company too. They make most of everyones sensors too....(Nikon and Canon and most others)....

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Nov 2, 2018 09:50:06   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
[quote=billnikon]I agree with you. AND I think the mirrorless camera's are front heavy with a telephoto. I have tried several. BUT, I want to state that the new Sony 400 2.8 E is lighter than any other 400 2.8 on the market. But, I still prefer my new Nikon 500 5.6 lens coming in at 3.21 lbs.


Sony 400mm f2.8: Weight, 102.2 oz; Length, 14.25"; Diameter, 6.25"
Nikon 400mm f2.8: Weight, 134 oz; Length, 14.1"; Diameter, 6.3" (Nikon has announced a DO type lens though that is much smaller and lighter.)
Canon 400mm f2.8: Weight, 99 oz; Length, 13.5"; Diameter, 6.5"

Please explain how the Sony is lighter and smaller than any other 400mm f2.8 lens on the market.
I am confused with your statement.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:51:07   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
HarryBinNC wrote:
You can't? Maybe this will help!



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Nov 2, 2018 09:53:03   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Bill Koepsel wrote:
Sony is a camera company too. They make most of everyones sensors too....(Nikon and Canon and most others)....


Canon makes their own sensors.
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-announces-a-new-cmos-sensor-business-platform/

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Nov 2, 2018 09:59:44   #
twice_shooter
 
My $0.02, obviously:

I just picked up an x-t3. Phenomenal camera and fantastic lenses (I have the 16 mm 1.4)!! The images sooc are wonderful. And, I do not like the evf... at all. I much more like looking through Nikon and Canon glass. The so called advantages of mirrorless mean nothing to me if I can’t enjoy the view. If I’m going to spend $3k on a lens then I want a $3k view. To me, it’s like having a pair of high end Leica binoculars and having the seen I’m looking at projected on my iPhone.

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Nov 2, 2018 10:08:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.


That is why they bought Konica-Minolta’s camera division in 2006! But before that, they made many of the world’s best video cameras at all levels of the industry. They still do.

It’s no secret that Sony makes nearly all of the image sensors in Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic, and their own and several lower volume brands of cameras.

Not a camera company?

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Nov 2, 2018 10:09:41   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)


I know both Nikon and Canon are late to the mirrorless dance, I'm sure they will play fast catch-up or go toes up. They had to enter the market or truly lose any chances. I'm like you with canon and plan to wait a bit so my current lenses will work on the new technology. I have some pro friends that abandoned the boat anchors and thrilled beyond with the mirrorless technology plus all the R&D is dedicated to mirrorless. As they say, not just in crime, follow the money!

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Nov 2, 2018 10:24:19   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.

Digital cameras are electronics boxes with lenses.

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Nov 2, 2018 10:25:34   #
newvy
 
I too had been shooting Nikon since 79 when I bought my own FE w my own money when I was 14. My dad thought I was crazy for giving up the Practica system he bought me from Alden’s Catalog. I never looked back. I recently sold my D4 300 prime 80-200 28-85 all extenders and SB800 I went w Sony A6500 and some of the Hummers I have shot in my backyard are incredible. Still getting my head around the AF but the 11fps is AWESOME! I took it out trick or treating the other night and the low light performance was better than my own eyes! I shot some video as well and was blown away compared to the video from the D4. I only shot minimal video because it didn’t to it well. Used the iPhone more. If you’re thinking about the switch I would recommend the Sony gear. My Father in law shoots Olympus and has had the m4/3 for a few years. He travels internationally and loves his Oly gear. I’m not interested in Adapters so my current lens selection will grow in the future but I say make the switch. I don’t think you will be disappointed after the initial learning curve! GOOD LUCK!

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