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Dec 24, 2017 10:47:52   #
Dano Loc: North Carolina
 
Best post of the year. It's easy for others to say "just don't be so sensitive," but for most us who are still learning, that's exactly what we are. We're looking for advice, support, mentoring... evan a place where we can ask those dumb questions that we've all had at some point. Constructive criticism is absolutely critical, but what's the value in crushing someone's spirit? Thanks for the post and Happy Holidays!!!

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Dec 24, 2017 10:51:28   #
djlouden Loc: Ocala, Florida
 
Dano wrote:
Best post of the year........We're looking for advice, support, mentoring... evan a place where we can ask those dumb questions that we've all had at some point.


Here here....

Thanks to Carl Sagan: "There are naive questions, tedious questions, ill-phrased questions, questions put after inadequate self-criticism. But every question is a cry to understand the world. There is no such thing as a dumb question"

Happy Shooting

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Dec 24, 2017 11:03:38   #
NJFrank Loc: New Jersey
 
This thread has it a nerve. At this point it is eight pages long. Everything you wrote about is spot on. I for one take everyone's comment good and bad with a grain of salt. I generally know who are the trolls are in this site. As you mentioned there are ways to offer critics, but I guess for some being rude they can get their jollies off.

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Dec 24, 2017 11:10:12   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
Thanks for that - well said.

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Dec 24, 2017 11:26:45   #
ebbote Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
Very good Roni, I agree 100%, but unfortunately it will fall on some deaf ears

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Dec 24, 2017 11:35:03   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Thank you Ronichas
It is sad that rude and aggressive behavior is what has happened to a fairly polite society. Kids are learning to be aggressive
on awful shows from producers like Disney. I don't see adults teaching their children manners. 3 of my 5 grandchildren
are not polite and respectful most of the time. My wife and I always invited on holidays like Xmas everyone who needed a place to go on the holiday. My house on the mainline of Philadelphia was always filled with different kinds of people.
The way some people treat each other these days is changing the environment. I am a very polite and forgiving man.
And this has served me well for many years. With the awful politics of rude and division and the media which serves up
constant doubt and no vision of something might work. And materialism our young people have I have little hope.
Only some of the folks in this forum are aggressive and divisive. And you are right. It doesn't work when people are rude.

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Dec 24, 2017 11:39:23   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Nosaj wrote:
Thanks for posting your thoughts about this issue. I've been a member for many years, but its seems that the nastiness and intolerance in word and tone has increased in the last year or so. Even when I post an image that is totally removed from even a hint of an opinion there will usually be a negative comment from someone who feels they have an axe to grind, a cause to advance, or a person or idea to attack.


Negative reactions. Intolerant reactions are now the norm. Look at the politicians in DC. There is nothing but intolerance and hatred between the two parties. They both are deceptive and dishonest in mostly all that they do. The Republicans blame the Democrats and the Democrats blame the Republicans. They are ALL lying, hypocritical, self-serving, egotistical untrustworthy political whores.

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Dec 24, 2017 11:43:03   #
CaptainEd
 
I agree with your sentiments....I recently made it a practice to check out other posts from such people, and if I find that they have little to offer beyond snark in the majority of their posts, I simply block them. I also turned off the "chit chat" and "Attic" topics...which I've started doing on all of the subject specific forums I'm a member of.

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Dec 24, 2017 11:46:13   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
CaptainEd wrote:
I agree with your sentiments....I recently made it a practice to check out other posts from such people, and if I find that they have little to offer beyond snark in the majority of their posts, I simply block them. I also turned off the "chit chat" and "Attic" topics...which I've started doing on all of the subject specific forums I'm a member of.


If this is a photography forum why is there anything like the Attic section??? Why did they feel the need for it? It appears to go against their mission statement. What would be the loss if it was removed??

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Dec 24, 2017 11:47:26   #
SpikeW Loc: Butler PA
 
As for UHH I have been helped a lot by advice so my experience has been a good one. Most of my negative criticism has been my own criticism that I have used to improve my photography
from advice I have been given. The " In he wrong section". "What does this have to do with photography?" "You should never have passed sixth grade spelling." Come on. Have a heart.
I love UHH and there it is every morning when I turn on my computer and I live in the east.
I don't write often but I want to say here, Thank you. And if my grammar is wrong, Live with it.

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Dec 24, 2017 12:04:18   #
GKD Loc: Massachuestts
 

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Dec 24, 2017 12:10:06   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
ronichas wrote:
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer for the Long Island Photography meetup for 10 years with over 250 members.
I am not new to photography. The one thing that often surprises me, is how rude, nasty and mean some of the people...mostly men...are on this site. I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.

Some people feel they have to criticize, insult, make rude remarks, make fun of, etc, when people post something. They do this even if they aren't even interested in the topic.

This is not always a friendly site. There are people that are very helpful, but the rude ones take away from that.

"Whatever you do, don't look in your manual or visit the Nikon site."
"I've always wondered how the human can be so naïve, such that their brain thinks $174.99 is far less expensive than $175. "
"I think too many sellers on UHH have an inflated opinion of what their old, unwanted equipment is worth."

I would like to request in 2018, that those people hold back on their negative comments.
If you don't have something nice to say, don't post anything.

There are newbies here, to both photography and to the use of the computer. Yes, it is easy to say, *just google it* but there is a way to say it without being mean about it. That might not be the first thing someone thinks about when they are trying to get some information.

We all share a love of photography, lets be kind to one another, be helpful, or don't help at all.

Wishing all a Healthy & Happy Holiday.
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer... (show quote)


Bravó! Google is useful, but it returns a huge amount of links, and sometimes it’s hard for people to know which are trustworthy. I think many feel safer asking for opinions from fellow serious photographers. If you don’t want to respond helpfully to a question, just don’t respond at all. Simple enough.

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Dec 24, 2017 12:20:40   #
gener202002
 
Hello

Thank you for your post. I certainly hope I haven't been perceived as a nasty person. If so, I apologize. Not that I think this is addressed to me. But I suppose it is easy to get nasty at times. I belong to other sites in which I am very nasty at times, but it is not this type of site, and that is par for the course. Nobody there is nice. I take that back, I know a few, which amazes me due to how much they get attacked. Hopefully I can learn from these people. And I suppose this is a great time to learn and use the Christmas spirit as a time to look forward to maintaining a good attitude throughout the year and years.

I am in a way a novice, but not totally a novice as I have sold a few pictures. I like to learn, and I find most everyone who has responded to me has been nice. But I tend to not notice bad behavior unless it is really bad. I hope to get better at that too. I mean, not noticing even the worst of behavior. I like this site because so many people have so many nice pictures, and I have enjoyed it. I really have appreciated this site.

I wish I had more time to tell people how great their pictures are, because there are a lot of really good ones here. I just can't get to saying 'beautiful' to everyone due to time constraints. But I will say here, great pictures everyone, and I have fully enjoyed them.

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Dec 24, 2017 12:31:20   #
srt101fan
 
traderjohn wrote:
If this is a photography forum why is there anything like the Attic section??? Why did they feel the need for it? It appears to go against their mission statement. What would be the loss if it was removed??


Good point!

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Dec 24, 2017 12:46:36   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
ronichas wrote:
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer for the Long Island Photography meetup for 10 years with over 250 members.
I am not new to photography. The one thing that often surprises me, is how rude, nasty and mean some of the people...mostly men...are on this site. I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.

Some people feel they have to criticize, insult, make rude remarks, make fun of, etc, when people post something. They do this even if they aren't even interested in the topic.

This is not always a friendly site. There are people that are very helpful, but the rude ones take away from that.

"Whatever you do, don't look in your manual or visit the Nikon site."
"I've always wondered how the human can be so naïve, such that their brain thinks $174.99 is far less expensive than $175. "
"I think too many sellers on UHH have an inflated opinion of what their old, unwanted equipment is worth."

I would like to request in 2018, that those people hold back on their negative comments.
If you don't have something nice to say, don't post anything.

There are newbies here, to both photography and to the use of the computer. Yes, it is easy to say, *just google it* but there is a way to say it without being mean about it. That might not be the first thing someone thinks about when they are trying to get some information.

We all share a love of photography, lets be kind to one another, be helpful, or don't help at all.

Wishing all a Healthy & Happy Holiday.
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer... (show quote)

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You are absolutely right....
Thanks for your comment.
I've been wanting to say tha same thing.

BTW. I just had a fellow Hogger help me set right a problem that I was having with my P.C.

Merry Happy Holidays.


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