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Dec 24, 2017 12:51:37   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Dissenting opinion on so many levels...

Internet is a one way blind one way street.

What many find offensive reflects that very blindness.

First something is interpreted differently than intended and this creates a conflict.

Second being in person changes nothing in the way something is phrased. What is changed is the perception. Body language, eye contact, all visual impressions and clues are missing. Even smell is missing...

This leads to utter confusion and conflicts.

To accuse one side of doing something bad is also refusing to look in one's own short comings - even if there are excuses such as being blind -.

One typed: 'If you cannot take the heat get out of the kitchen'... I disagree with this as this forget the reality of internet communication. The statement should be:

'If you do not understand the heat in the kitchen, get out of it.'

You and everyone else for that matter can type anything on being polite or rude or whatever, it will change nothing. To try to disparage other folks (I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.) also shows an interesting way of presenting things, just as offensive as what you claim not to like yet, there it is, in the initial post.

So, yes, I dissent.

As to season greetings... Really? You need a period of the year to 'think nice'??????

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Dec 24, 2017 12:52:14   #
paul j svetlik Loc: Colorado
 
I think being rude or vulgar might be a trend we see everywhere especially in the politics - but not only in this country - it is international.
That does not mean we have to tolerate it? Let us turn away from those who think that they can get away with it?
Thank you for bringing up the subject ronichas!
Merry and blessed Christmas!

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Dec 24, 2017 13:00:42   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
As to the attic....

Have you paid attention to the statistics?

Topics: 39086
Posts: 627065

The number of threads/posts are about to beat the general chit-chat and this from only 900+ admitted subscribers and in a shorter time. However bad what is offered is in there it contributes to UHH financial support through advertisement and allows UHH to survive as a 'free forum'.

Rant and rave all you want, this thing is here to stay. If the complainers were half as smart and half as polite they claim to be they would stay out of it after reading a couple of threads and say 'this is not for me - end of story'.

So, in the end, another dissenting opinion.

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Dec 24, 2017 13:04:28   #
jackinkc Loc: Kansas City
 
And peace to you and yours - forever.

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Dec 24, 2017 13:19:22   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I personally find it odd that you have criticized other posters for being rude, but your criticism about old men in their underwear writing nasty comments is offputting to me. A Christmas critique of other's bad habits makes me feel like I am being lectured to by the principal. Rudeness, misinformation, and the occasional dustup is what makes the site entertaining. There's plenty of sites where everyone is polite and praise each other's work. They are also pretty boring.


ronichas wrote:
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer for the Long Island Photography meetup for 10 years with over 250 members.
I am not new to photography. The one thing that often surprises me, is how rude, nasty and mean some of the people...mostly men...are on this site. I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.

Some people feel they have to criticize, insult, make rude remarks, make fun of, etc, when people post something. They do this even if they aren't even interested in the topic.

This is not always a friendly site. There are people that are very helpful, but the rude ones take away from that.

"Whatever you do, don't look in your manual or visit the Nikon site."
"I've always wondered how the human can be so naïve, such that their brain thinks $174.99 is far less expensive than $175. "
"I think too many sellers on UHH have an inflated opinion of what their old, unwanted equipment is worth."

I would like to request in 2018, that those people hold back on their negative comments.
If you don't have something nice to say, don't post anything.

There are newbies here, to both photography and to the use of the computer. Yes, it is easy to say, *just google it* but there is a way to say it without being mean about it. That might not be the first thing someone thinks about when they are trying to get some information.

We all share a love of photography, lets be kind to one another, be helpful, or don't help at all.

Wishing all a Healthy & Happy Holiday.
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer... (show quote)

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Dec 24, 2017 13:22:29   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
traderjohn wrote:
I beg to differ. Where is the "Hypocrisy"?? Where is the lack of information? Do the muslims want peace with the Jews? Do the Jews want peace with the muslims? The Coptic Christians were attacked in Egypt by muslims simply because they were Christians. Is North Korea a threat?


Traderjohn. This thread is supposed to be about "In the spirit of Peace & Kindness". There is clearly much diversity and divisiveness in this world. There are clearly bad actors, terrorists, murderers and so forth. However to condemn all Muslims because of the actions of a small minority does not reflect a spirit of peace and kindness. It does not reflect the ethics of Christianity, at least as I was taught them. I wonder what religious affiliation Stephen Paddock, Dylann Roof, Timothy McVeigh, Jared Loughner, Wade Michael Page, or Anders Breivik adhered to, if any. We know about Roy Moore. We know about Slobodan Milošević. There are plenty of very bad things done by self professed 'Christians' in the name of Christianity. Should all Christians be condemned because of the acts of a few? According to your logic they should be if all Muslims are to be condemned. What happened to the parable of the good Samaritan, turning the other cheek, or removing the plank from your own eye before removing the speck from your brother's eye? Even a few politicians still have souls.

If we want to encourage the Spirit of Peace & Kindness, since it IS Christmas Eve, perhaps we should be looking for the good in people. There are far more good Muslims than bad ones. The same is true with Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and others. Hopefully the same is true of Christians.

Remember Traderjohn, you were one of the first in this thread to introduce negativity towards whole groups of people - not just individuals - by targeting Muslims, politicians, and others. Where is the Spirit of Peace and Kindness in that?

Perhaps we should try the concept of goodwill to all, men, women, and others which is supposed to be part of Christmas spirit, alcoholic or other wise. Cheers!

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Dec 24, 2017 13:28:22   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
ronichas wrote:
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer for the Long Island Photography meetup for 10 years with over 250 members.
I am not new to photography. The one thing that often surprises me, is how rude, nasty and mean some of the people...mostly men...are on this site. I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.

Some people feel they have to criticize, insult, make rude remarks, make fun of, etc, when people post something. They do this even if they aren't even interested in the topic.

This is not always a friendly site. There are people that are very helpful, but the rude ones take away from that.

"Whatever you do, don't look in your manual or visit the Nikon site."
"I've always wondered how the human can be so naïve, such that their brain thinks $174.99 is far less expensive than $175. "
"I think too many sellers on UHH have an inflated opinion of what their old, unwanted equipment is worth."

I would like to request in 2018, that those people hold back on their negative comments.
If you don't have something nice to say, don't post anything.

There are newbies here, to both photography and to the use of the computer. Yes, it is easy to say, *just google it* but there is a way to say it without being mean about it. That might not be the first thing someone thinks about when they are trying to get some information.

We all share a love of photography, lets be kind to one another, be helpful, or don't help at all.

Wishing all a Healthy & Happy Holiday.
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer... (show quote)


Merry Christmas! / Happy Holidays!

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Dec 24, 2017 13:39:23   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
traderjohn wrote:
If this is a photography forum why is there anything like the Attic section??? Why did they feel the need for it? It appears to go against their mission statement. What would be the loss if it was removed??


This is an open forum, and depends on traffic from many people to be viable. The chit chat and attic sections exist so that some of the non photography discussions or less civilized topics and discussions can be diverted away from the main stream. To see them one has to actively subscribe to them or choose to visit them. If those sections did not exist we would be inundated with a large amount of unwanted non photographic content. Think of it as trash collection.

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Dec 24, 2017 13:39:23   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Bobspez wrote:
I personally find it odd that you have criticized other posters for being rude, but your criticism about old men in their underwear writing nasty comments is offputting to me. A Christmas critique of other's bad habits makes me feel like I am being lectured to by the principal. Rudeness, misinformation, and the occasional dustup is what makes the site entertaining. There's plenty of sites where everyone is polite and praise each other's work. They are also pretty boring.


I personally liked the mental image of an old geezer in his skivies typing negative messages. I would only like to add that he is probably scratching himself you know where, is most likely unshaven with a brewski in his hand.

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Dec 24, 2017 13:47:12   #
kmocabee
 
I can't agree more. I've seen too many novice questions that get blasted with snarky replies.

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Dec 24, 2017 13:50:12   #
twillsol Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
ronichas wrote:
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer for the Long Island Photography meetup for 10 years with over 250 members.
I am not new to photography. The one thing that often surprises me, is how rude, nasty and mean some of the people...mostly men...are on this site. I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.

Some people feel they have to criticize, insult, make rude remarks, make fun of, etc, when people post something. They do this even if they aren't even interested in the topic.

This is not always a friendly site. There are people that are very helpful, but the rude ones take away from that.

"Whatever you do, don't look in your manual or visit the Nikon site."
"I've always wondered how the human can be so naïve, such that their brain thinks $174.99 is far less expensive than $175. "
"I think too many sellers on UHH have an inflated opinion of what their old, unwanted equipment is worth."

I would like to request in 2018, that those people hold back on their negative comments.
If you don't have something nice to say, don't post anything.

There are newbies here, to both photography and to the use of the computer. Yes, it is easy to say, *just google it* but there is a way to say it without being mean about it. That might not be the first thing someone thinks about when they are trying to get some information.

We all share a love of photography, lets be kind to one another, be helpful, or don't help at all.

Wishing all a Healthy & Happy Holiday.
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer... (show quote)


Thank you ronichas for posting this. It is so true. Wishing you a Healthy & Happy Holiday.

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Dec 24, 2017 13:53:18   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Everyone needs a hobby.

billnikon wrote:
I personally liked the mental image of an old geezer in his skivies typing negative messages. I would only like to add that he is probably scratching himself you know where, is most likely unshaven with a brew in his hand.

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Dec 24, 2017 14:00:13   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
billnikon wrote:
I personally liked the mental image of an old geezer in his skivies typing negative messages. I would only like to add that he is probably scratching himself you know where, is most likely unshaven with a brew in his hand.


Most people on UHH are old. Hopefully most actually have underwear on, as well as a few other clothes most of the time. Some clearly have beards (perhaps neatly trimmed) and so would be unshaven. As for having a cup of freshly brewed tea or coffee in hand I don't see too much of a problem with that unless you object to caffeine.

To be fair, we have our share of women that make negative or snarky comments also, and no, I'm not looking for a visual or descriptive image of what they may look like when they've just crawled out of bed in the morning, thank you!

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Dec 24, 2017 14:16:03   #
dyximan
 
ronichas wrote:
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer for the Long Island Photography meetup for 10 years with over 250 members.
I am not new to photography. The one thing that often surprises me, is how rude, nasty and mean some of the people...mostly men...are on this site. I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.
Thank you, for your kind caring and compassionate words no truer words have been spoken here. I will try my best to be a better poster.
Some people feel they have to criticize, insult, make rude remarks, make fun of, etc, when people post something. They do this even if they aren't even interested in the topic.

This is not always a friendly site. There are people that are very helpful, but the rude ones take away from that.

"Whatever you do, don't look in your manual or visit the Nikon site."
"I've always wondered how the human can be so naïve, such that their brain thinks $174.99 is far less expensive than $175. "
"I think too many sellers on UHH have an inflated opinion of what their old, unwanted equipment is worth."

I would like to request in 2018, that those people hold back on their negative comments.
If you don't have something nice to say, don't post anything.

There are newbies here, to both photography and to the use of the computer. Yes, it is easy to say, *just google it* but there is a way to say it without being mean about it. That might not be the first thing someone thinks about when they are trying to get some information.

We all share a love of photography, lets be kind to one another, be helpful, or don't help at all.

Wishing all a Healthy & Happy Holiday.
I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer... (show quote)

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Dec 24, 2017 14:52:58   #
al13
 
“ I am a long time photographer. I was the organizer for the Long Island Photography meetup for 10 years with over 250 members. I am not new to photography. The one thing that often surprises me, is how rude, nasty and mean some of the people...mostly men...are on this site. I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.”

I totally agree, great post.

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