yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

Well at least you know how to express "hate".

RMM Loc: Suburban New York

And your opinion of Romney? He has been on both sides (at least!) of every issue, depending on the audience. I have to believe that the Democrats have a closet piled full of ads showing Romney espousing this position at one time and the opposite position on another occasion. The only time he's stood up and taken an unpopular position was at the NAACP the other day. Since he presumably wasn't getting their votes anyway, he could raise his appeal to his supporters by showing some backbone.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

TED45, above “The terms “one of them” and wetback greasers” have only been used by you. I haven’t seen anyone else stoop to such a low level. Apparently your memory is fairly selective. The level of hate reached during the Bush years make today look like a balmy spring day. Some of the most despicable remarks made at the time came from the Democrat leadership.

I meant these words as implied, un-spoken words of many who express baseless hate and sponsored laws of reprisal. I think there is a lot of race based hate of O’B stated in non direct terms. Wet-back is a still used historic term for degrading the Hispanics.

I have taught students from SA, CA, and Mexico (and USA and other nations) and find them to be just part of the mix. I lived in Argentina for a year and found the people, food (Ice cream not plastic like USA’s), health care (universal) to be wonderfully effective. (Forget the banking and retail system,,, ouch)

Those negating expatiates are not to reflect my personal feelings rather those implied by negative comments often stated without foundation.

I grew up in an non-predigest family as a youth and that is part of my being. And no, I did not hate Baby-Bush, rather pitted him for being in over his head and directed by others. It will be his historic reputation while those behind the decisions will be forgotten.

And, can you quote some of the (incorrect) “despicable remarks” by the Democratic leadership ?

ted45 Loc: Delaware

I haven't followed Romney’s career so I am still learning about the man. However I heard Bill Clinton speaking about what an honorable man his is and a good business man.

Romney received a standing ovation at the end of the NAACP, so he must have done something right.

Will I vote for him? So far it looks like a choice between bad and bad. Unfoutunately it has been that way for some time.

ted45 Loc: Delaware

Again with the degrading comments: "Baby-Bush", really?

You claim to be an educator and yet you cannot see the problem with reacting to people based on what you know is their unstated comments rather than what they actually said. Are there some racists out there? There always will be and they are of all colors. Did you ever hear Maxine Waters speak? The Democrats try to paint every anti-Obama statement as racist. That is childish and divisive. I listen to what people say and watch what they do. I do not assume I am so smart that I know what is going on in their minds. I know a lot of people that think Obama is a bad President. That doesn't mean they hate the black man. It means they think he is a bad President.

Your choice of terms like “wetbacks” and insistence that they are common just indicates a closed mind. People I know that have lost jobs to illegals refer to them as "illegals" or those "damn Mexicans". I haven't heard the term "wetback" in recent memory until you wrote it.

I don’t remember the exact quote but Nancy Pelosi suggested in one of her more heated speeches that someone should kill Bush and do us all a favor. I could quote a string of indecent remarks from the liberals favorite filmmaker, Michael Moore, but the rules of the forum say it should be kept “family friendly”.

ole sarg Loc: south florida

Please produce the Pelosi statement to which you refer. If you cannot I would urge you to retract it.

ted45 Loc: Delaware

I said I wasn't totally certain I remembered it correctly. It was one of those “I didn’t know the mike was on” moments and I heard it. How exactly do I verify my own memory to your liking? I’m not a Democrat so it is unlikely I could offer any proof you would find acceptable.

However in the interest of fair play, why don’t we substitute this quote for the Pelosi one?

As can be seen in this video exclusively on the ongoodmove blog, starting at about one minute into the clip Kerry says what can only be interpreted as a threat to kill Bush:
"Maher: You could have went to New Hampshire and killed two birds with one stone."
"Kerry: Or, I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone."
Link to the film:

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/10/bill_maher_with.html

Just for good measure let’s add this one from around 2004 to the list:

“I will guarantee you that John Kerry will be president of the United States."
Nancy Pelosi


The conversation was about the hateful rhetoric being thrown by both sides. It was much worse during the Bush years and came mostly from the liberals including their leadership. Do I even have to bring up Bill Mahr referring, on television, to Michelle Bachman as a c**t?

Bob.J Loc: On The Move

Thought you might find this interesting

http://youtu.be/LKdS0bF5Rqo

tschmath Loc: Los Angeles

He wasn't threatening anyone. It was an oblique reference to going to The White House as president if he had won. Like him or not politically, Kerry is an honorable man who served his country courageously, and is too classy to make stupid threats against a sitting president. Get real.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

[quote=ted45]

The problem is that from the other side of the room you talk like a "hater". It is all a matter of perspective. I would never refer to someone else as “stupid” because I do some pretty damn stupid things myself, all the time. I do agree with you that there is far too much hate in this country. We need discussion not insults being hurled back and forth.

As far a Clinton is concerned, the office of President of The United States of America is too important to be held by a race, sex, or ideology. When he took office Obama gave up the right to be a 'black' man. Clinton will give up the right to be a woman if she ever gets there. People who cannot focus on the person and ignore the side tracks like he is black, or he can't speak in public, are the ones who are truly haters. They exist on both sides. Remember all the nasty remarks about how stupid Bush was. Sometimes his speach was no better than a 4th grader.

If you step back, look and listen to Obama with an open mind you see that he has a problem with telling the truth. That would account for his problem speaking in public. For example: He appeared before a Hispanic group and told them how he was on their side and he is fixing the illegal immigration situation in their favor. Giving them amnesty does not make them citizens. At the same time his lawyers were fighting to get his health care bill approved. A bill, that says in plain English that you must be a legal citizen of the U.S. and prove it. Both of those stories can’t be true at the same time.

To answer your question: I am paid to give speeches, and yes I can walk out on a stage and do it flawlessly. I never use notes or prompters. I can do that because I only speak about what I know and what I truly believe.[/quot

Congratulations as a speechmaker, you should be proud of yourself.

I can't really agree with your assesment of Obama being a lier. I think whatever he is saying is that that is the way he feels it should be but unfortunately both you and I know he doesn't have the ability to make that happen. I don't recall President Obama ever telling the illegals in general that he would grant them amnesty, that was Bush that made that statement. Obama laid down the rules for the amnesty leaving it again up to them to make it happen.

ted45 Loc: Delaware

My God you have a thick skull. Listen to the entire video. There is nothing oblique about it.

There was nothing honorable about Kerry's service. I had a good friend who was on the boat with him in Viet Nam. If he was still alive he would confirm what I just said. The man panicked and shot a rock. The ricochet hit him in the butt. He demanded a Purple Heart for a wound that took nothing more than a common bandage. When he came back he led protests and threw that medal at the White House. He then claimed his fellow soldiers were killing babies. ALL of his claims were proven to be a product of his imagination. Kerry’s disgraceful conduct is documented history.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

As I did not start the Bush/Obama crap you refer to I am sure you are no more tired than I am, It's been like talking to a 7 year old with all these "yes buts".Guess I was giving God credit he obviously did not earn, It was 6 but then even God had to rest on the 7th day.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Romney is pitiful, thats all I an say about the man other than he needs to seek professional help about his problems.
And, I am sure that Condi has more sense then to fall in with him.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

He did not receive a standing ovation after his speech, that was people that the Republicans brought in to pad the audience. That was admitted to by the good lady from Michigan.

Your basing your opinion of Romney because you think he as you say he must have done something right based on what you thjought was a standing ovation. Perhaps you would have been better served to wath the performance in it's entirety.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Move to Texas or anywhere in the southwest, you hear wetback in practically every conversation and read it in newspaper articles quite often.