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Mar 8, 2017 09:31:04   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
katastrofa wrote:
Unless they happen to be female or disabled.



Huh???

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Mar 8, 2017 09:34:56   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
That is a lot of bs. Yes, we are old but a great majority of younger people are interested in photography and buy cameras.
I agree that a cell phone is a very popular way of using a camera but it has its limitations. For versatility a camera is needed.
No, we will die but the cameras will still be there.

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Mar 8, 2017 09:46:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
katastrofa wrote:
Would you say that the speed of technical progress in the higher end of the market has slowed down too? The megapixel race seems to be over. (Full Frame topped at 40mpix, crop factors at 20-24mpix, compacts at 16-20mpix).


It has shifted away from dSLRs towards mirrorless designs. You can see that in statistics posted here the other day. dSLR sales are declining, while mirrorless sales are flat. Most of the innovation is happening in mirrorless. Nikon and Canon are still enhancing their dSLR products, but the rate of drastic change has slowed considerably from what was common in 2007.

We ARE approaching the point of diminishing returns from additional megapixels. Professionals generally see four niches, now — Full frame sensors at 16–24 MP, Full frame sensors at 32–50+ MP, APS-C sensors at 20–24MP, and Micro Four Thirds sensors at 16–20 MP. (There's a fairly small camp of higher MP-count medium format users, too.) These niches serve (very!) different needs at different times. From a pro standpoint, the megapixel race was largely marketing crap. We have known all along that the sweet spot is around 20 MP for MOST uses. More MP are helpful for certain uses, and fewer MP are helpful for others.

The modern camera market has to become more integrated with the digital world as a whole. Easy and reliable network connectivity through mobile devices is an area of importance. In-camera ability to adjust raw files and save JPEGs with "post photography" user input exists, but needs further development. Video will continue to be an area of EXTREME interest to some, and EXTREME annoyance to others.

As with all old industries, the laggards tend to merge with the stronger, more innovative players. I would expect some consolidation of the industry in the years ahead.

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Mar 8, 2017 10:00:24   #
jjbrenner Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
machia wrote:
Young people are obsessed with cell phones . The entire world is in the palm of their hands . And they're missing out on so much . The obsession to record and post every moment . Someday looking back they will have images but few memories .
Will cameras , real cameras die off ? Probably not , but there will be fewer .


Machia, your statement about "having images, but few memories" is priceless--much wisdom. I hope it will be OK to quote you in front of photography program audiences. If not, please let me know.
Best wishes,
Jim in San Angelo, TX

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Mar 8, 2017 10:05:16   #
Pixelpixie88 Loc: Northern Minnesota
 
Lol....yes, retired, more time and maybe more money to devote to this "sometimes" hobby! For some it' a job.

Rongnongno wrote:
As to the topic itself?

Only old farts, crazy obsessed individuals* and professionals are going nuts over expensive gear. We are all that and more...


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* Quite a few here were car obsessed (some still are) to pick-up girls...
As to the topic itself? br br Only old farts, cra... (show quote)

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Mar 8, 2017 10:18:10   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Rongnongno wrote:
As to the topic itself?

Only old farts, crazy obsessed individuals* and professionals are going nuts over expensive gear. We are all that and more...


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* Quite a few here were car obsessed (some still are) to pick-up girls...
As to the topic itself? br br Only old farts, cra... (show quote)


As a famous comedian used to say, "I resemble that remark!"

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Mar 8, 2017 10:29:38   #
Meeker
 
Peterff wrote:
That is a very short sighted and flawed piece of analysis. Smartphones are cameras - among other things - but they replace complete segments of the market, instamatic and disposable film cameras, and then digital P&S cameras. Probably the way to look at this would be to look at interchangeable lens cameras over multiple decades, perhaps along with range finders etc. and bridge cameras. Essentially tools for 'serious' photographers, and they come in all age groups. The economics are certainly changing, but so are the camera companies, finding new markets and so on. Who do you think makes the sensors in many smartphones? It isn't Apple.
That is a very short sighted and flawed piece of a... (show quote)


And I bet your Brownie 127 still works flawlessly today!

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Mar 8, 2017 10:39:06   #
Abo
 
katastrofa wrote:
yes, and being a phone is not their top priority unfortunately - as handsets they are so uncomfortable to use


Too right!

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Mar 8, 2017 10:45:06   #
Abo
 
dragonfist wrote:
What I don't get is a lot of folks on the hog disparaged point and shoot cameras yet will ooh and aah over a cell phone photo. It would seem to me that the average point and shoot camera is still far superior to a cell phone. I have a litte Canon Elph 330 I can slip in a shirt pocket and hardly notice it is there. The quality of its photos I am sure are every bit as good or better than phone photos and it has more features than a phone camera. Admittedly I detest cell phones and being a conffirmed Luddite I hope to never be put in a position of having to own one. At my age the only people that want to contact me are my doctor and the undertaker anyway and they can always leave a message on my landline.
What I don't get is a lot of folks on the hog disp... (show quote)


A luddite that posts (I presume with a computer) on an internet forum.

Do you also sit on the corner of a round table and eat plain cake with currents in it
on a fine day on a dark and stormy night?

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Mar 8, 2017 10:46:04   #
Ron SS Loc: Silver Spring, MD
 
Meeker wrote:
And I bet your Brownie 127 still works flawlessly today!


I learned photography on my fiancee's Hawkeye in the late 60's. It let me 'focus' on composition (and on and off camera flash with an adapter I made) without concern for shutter speed, aperture or focus. Next came my Nikkormat Ftn SLR in 1969. Both still work. But I always pushed low light limits and currently primarily rely on a Nikon D750 FF DSLR. The D4 and D5 have better low light capabilities but are too heavy for me for a long shoot.

Bottom line: Technology changes. Embrace it where it has benefits; legacy equipment when that still fulfills the needs.

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Mar 8, 2017 10:46:12   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
MrBob wrote:
Your last paragraph was spot on... I have always wondered why more phone cam features have not been used in traditional cameras; the display and computing power is already there, along with WiFi, why not apps...


Tony Northrup makes that point very well in his recent piece on Nikon's business woes. He suggests they open their operating systems to installing Apps by others.

He also notes that Nikon, at least, isn't even keeping up with phone softwarecand hardware technology. It is generally acknowledged their snapbridge app sucks. Their LCDs suck in bright sun compared to phone LCDs...and the one that came on my recent Panasonic Lumix GM5.

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Mar 8, 2017 10:46:29   #
Satman Loc: Indy
 
When I was younger, I did not have the money to spend, nor them time to spend talking about cameras.

I had an Uncle who spent money on cameras, and felt he would have been better to have spent the money on his family.

Many of us grew up poor, and the garden was not there for a hobby. 76.

When one can afford it, we are often too old to enjoy it...

Life is not always fair,

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Mar 8, 2017 10:49:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Meeker wrote:
And I bet your Brownie 127 still works flawlessly today!


I have a Brownie Hawkeye 127 that takes AG-1 peanut flashbulbs and 127 film. It works perfectly. But other than having it in a cabinet as a conversation piece, I could care less!

I DO still have a few images of my family that I took as an 8-year-old with that camera in 1963... They're priceless.

The film and bulbs are extremely hard to find in stock. Plenty of websites still list them, but they are mostly "Out of Stock".

The waves of change wash sand over everything and all of us, eventually. If something works well for you now, enjoy it while it lasts. Then move on to something new when it makes sense and you need it.

Clinging to the relics of the past while denying the benefits of progress is unhealthy. Fond remembrances and occasional demonstrations are okay. I'm glad there are folks who show off 1950s cars now and then. But most of them have sense not to drive them every day.

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Mar 8, 2017 10:49:55   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
camerapapi wrote:
That is a lot of bs. Yes, we are old but a great majority of younger people are interested in photography and buy cameras.
I agree that a cell phone is a very popular way of using a camera but it has its limitations. For versatility a camera is needed.
No, we will die but the cameras will still be there.


When you don't click "quote reply" no one has a clue what "That" is. Your post goes to the end of the thread...nowhere near the post you are looking at when you type it.

I guess another example of not "getting" the current technology.

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Mar 8, 2017 10:52:52   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MtnMan wrote:
Tony Northrup makes that point very well in his recent piece on Nikon's business woes. He suggests they open their operating systems to installing Apps by others.

He also notes that Nikon, at least, isn't even keeping up with phone softwarecand hardware technology. It is generally acknowledged their snapbridge app sucks. Their LCDs suck in bright sun compared to phone LCDs...and the one that came on my recent Panasonic Lumix GM5.




Yep. Tony's comments are spot-on. I think the camera manufacturers should simply put a smartphone mount onto the backs of their cameras and connect them directly, so we can save images to the phones without BlueTooth or WiFi, and then manipulate them and send them over the network immediately. (At least give us the option to hard wire TETHER our smart phones. WiFi and SnapBridge probably will never be perfected.)

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