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Mar 10, 2017 22:55:50   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
fotografz wrote:
IMO and experience ...

Raw statistics say you are right. History says you are right. There are exceptions of course, but in the aggregate cameras as "we" know them" are eroding away like a beach being pounded by each new storm-wave of technology.

The key phrase is "as we know them". However, this revolution of image making technology shouldn't be confused with the demise of photography, which is all pervasive in today's society, far more democratic and available.

What has changed is how images are used and how they are valued ... and the consequences of "how they are used" has directly impacted the traditional camera industry. The public internet isn't in need of 20 to 36 meg files, where a vast majority of files are reduced to jpeg compression and truncated color space (sRGB) measured in sub 1 meg to 5 meg sizes.

What has become dominate is "content" over "craftsmanship". Cell phones are there always and get the pic of aunt Jane falling in the kiddie pool, or a pet stunt ... and no matter how crappy the shot it gets a trillion "likes" and compliments ... so the value of well crafted images takes a hit because the content of the image is the treasure.

What is also being threatened (even dying off) is the use of prints as the final product of photography. Among the general public, digital files have taken over as the final form, and they are treated in a fleeting manner. Here today, gone tomorrow. So much so that archivists and historians are worried that "common man" images (such as family prints stored away in boxes and albums of the past), which are the bell-weather of understanding "the way we were", are not being preserved.

Prints, especially wall prints, also show-case the properties of cameras more capable than current cell phone stuff that looks good on face-book, not so good as a framed 11 X 14 print.

Again, while there are notable exceptions, I've watched the tapering off of prints as the final medium for photos. I photographed weddings for decades, and as digital took over, fewer and fewer clients ordered prints, and album sales fell off a cliff. Toward the end of my run, a few clients who even paid for the album in advance didn't have me print them!

I use high end MF DSLRs and Mirrorless 35mm cameras with top optics. However, I can justify it because I still do professional advertising photography (albeit less than in past). The final use of these high end images warrants the equipment I use. For example this past week-end I did a studio shoot of a model wearing jewelry for a trade show which is being printed 7" tall ... and the product had to be finely resolved for close up inspection. I have a lot of work like that where the images will be used on the web and are printed for posters, displays, or cropped.

I also use that gear for my personal work which I DO print and frame. Interestingly, most of my "younger" semi-pro photo friends with high-end gear rarely make any prints, some never do ... which makes me scratch my head in bewilderment.

The photo communities on the web are ubiquitous, and it seems like sales of gear should be off-the hook, but it is not. Probably because we are narrowly focused on the subject, and participants are additive from all over the world , not just our local community like in the past. We photographers tend to talk to each other on sites like this, and it seems like there is an intense level of activity ... but it is not a true reflection of the world at large.

I think the traditional camera industry is moving toward higher cost, more capable tools to satisfy an ever growing attempt to compensate for smaller numbers of sales. A Sony FE:70-200/2.8 G Master zoom for $2,600! In my semi-retired state, I could no longer afford the gear I currently have ... LOL!

Oh, I am 72 and have been shooting for over 50 years.
IMO and experience ... br br Raw statistics say y... (show quote)


Excellent summation...

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Mar 10, 2017 23:45:57   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
MrBob wrote:
Students are being dumbed down in our schools. The NEA should be ashamed and I hope De Vos has some influence... the motivated students will excel because their parents are motivated to be an influence in their education. The rest that don't have the motivation and are at the mercy of the bureaucracy of the NEA will suffer. Textbooks are full of fake or incomplete information and even the teachers that really care are instructed to just pass them up the line, no matter what their achievement. I come from a family of dedicated teachers and they are frustrated... tune in to Jesse Watters interviews on the street and be appalled by the lack of knowledge of our college kids... not all, but a lot.
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"The rest that don't have the motivation and are at the mercy of the bureaucracy of the NEA will suffer. Textbooks are full of fake or incomplete information and even the teachers that really care are instructed to just pass them up the line"

As the OP for this thread, I have to ask what the hell you are talking about? I've got teen grandaughters in public school and they are learning well. They are not at anybody's mercy!

The thread is about photography, cameras and how it is changing. DeVos, Trump and the NEA are not what this topic is about. They may not know what a camera is! If you want to start a political thing, please do it on your own and not hijack this topic.

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Mar 11, 2017 00:01:08   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
bsprague wrote:
"The rest that don't have the motivation and are at the mercy of the bureaucracy of the NEA will suffer. Textbooks are full of fake or incomplete information and even the teachers that really care are instructed to just pass them up the line"

As the OP for this thread, I have to ask what the hell you are talking about? I've got teen grandaughters in public school and they are learning well. They are not at anybody's mercy!

The thread is about photography, cameras and how it is changing. DeVos, Trump and the NEA are not what this topic is about. They may not know what a camera is! If you want to start a political thing, please do it on your own and not hijack this topic.
"The rest that don't have the motivation and ... (show quote)



Don't get so excited...no one is trying to highjack anything. I was simply expanding upon what dragonfist was commenting about. No one is trying to take over or divert from the original intent of the thread. Sorry if I offended you and really do not want to get into a pissing match. My apologies.

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Mar 11, 2017 09:46:39   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
bsprague wrote:
"The rest that don't have the motivation and are at the mercy of the bureaucracy of the NEA will suffer. Textbooks are full of fake or incomplete information and even the teachers that really care are instructed to just pass them up the line"

As the OP for this thread, I have to ask what the hell you are talking about? I've got teen grandaughters in public school and they are learning well. They are not at anybody's mercy!

The thread is about photography, cameras and how it is changing. DeVos, Trump and the NEA are not what this topic is about. They may not know what a camera is! If you want to start a political thing, please do it on your own and not hijack this topic.
"The rest that don't have the motivation and ... (show quote)
Thank you for intervening; I am amazed at the number of times that a thread wanders off into the weeds, and the OP stands {or sits} by watching hopelessly.

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Mar 11, 2017 10:04:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rehess wrote:
Thank you for intervening; I am amazed at the number of times that a thread wanders off into the weeds, and the OP stands {or sits} by watching hopelessly.


I second that sentiment. OPs can and should step in and redirect discussion when it gets too far afield.

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Mar 11, 2017 10:26:46   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
burkphoto wrote:
I second that sentiment. OPs can and should step in and redirect discussion when it gets too far afield.

He is too old for this crap!!!

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Mar 11, 2017 10:38:22   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
This section and thread was not the time and place for me to go off on a tangent on a non relevant subject. Thinking about the current lack of cursive training led me down the rabbit hole of public education... thanks for keeping me straight and my apologies again.

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Mar 11, 2017 11:25:54   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
MrBob wrote:
This section and thread was not the time and place for me to go off on a tangent on a non relevant subject. Thinking about the current lack of cursive training led me down the rabbit hole of public education... thanks for keeping me straight and my apologies again.

No worries. You already said you were sorry. One time is enough. If some folks still take offense it is because they are not paying attention or just want to stir the pot... Easy to do on UHH when you are *ahem* old, cranky, stubborn and have a short attention span.

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Mar 11, 2017 19:22:43   #
zoomphoto Loc: Seattle, WA USA
 
Has anyone heard any good camera jokes?

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Mar 11, 2017 20:37:57   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
zoomphoto wrote:
Has anyone heard any good camera jokes?


As the OP, I have to say your response is perfect!

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Mar 11, 2017 20:44:00   #
asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA
 
While at 49 I am clearly in that demographic, my 22-year-old has shown an interest and is doing great stuff with the Canon 6D and 50mm f/1.8 STM lens I gave her for her last birthday. This year I'll probably give her a 24mm f/2.8 IS and/or an 85mm f/1.8 or 100mm f/2.8 IS L Macro.

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Mar 11, 2017 21:12:49   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Even some older people seem to be tailing off. Twenty years ago, my mother, my brother, and a friend all had SLR cameras. I still have one, but the other three all switched to something smaller when they went digital, and I'm guessing all who continue taking pictures {my mother is 92 and, as far as I know, hasn't touched her camera in the last three years} will eventually switch to the smart phone s/he already has rather than purchase another camera.

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Mar 11, 2017 22:21:23   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
rehess wrote:
Even some older people seem to be tailing off. Twenty years ago, my mother, my brother, and a friend all had SLR cameras. I still have one, but the other three all switched to something smaller when they went digital, and I'm guessing all who continue taking pictures {my mother is 92 and, as far as I know, hasn't touched her camera in the last three years} will eventually switch to the smart phone s/he already has rather than purchase another camera.


But have you asked or found out why?

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Mar 14, 2017 18:03:45   #
canon Lee
 
If the first time you ever took a photo was with an iPHONE then we are certainly old! but welcome to anyone that is just learning SLR digital cameras.

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Mar 14, 2017 19:41:54   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
I'm in my early 20's ( onthe inside) on the out side i'm old. I'm seeing kids that have cell phone cameras, getting interested inphotography and buying better cameras. Not a lot of em but Im seeing it happen. I think some of these kids would have never been interested in photography if not for the cell cameras.

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