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Mar 8, 2017 08:42:56   #
snfapm1983
 
For those of you who've posted negatively regarding cell phones and their users, I pose the question:

Back when you were younger, say 12-21 years old, someone handed you a small, sleek device and told you that it could replace going to the library for your homework research, give you driving directions, you could listen to your favorite music, watch movies, send messages or call your friends, and oh yeah it can take videos and photos...would you refuse it?

I guarantee there's not a single person that would refuse that offer.

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Mar 8, 2017 08:43:35   #
andrew1971
 
A long time ago trains were the preferred and dominate method of getting one's body from location to location. Eventually the train industry ceased to grow because of the car. What happened was the train companies thought they were in the train business, when in fact they were in the TRANSPORTATION business. Same with cameras. Sony, Canon, Nikon...are in the PHOTOGRAPHY business, not necessarily in the camera business. Without some forward thinking ideas they probably will and deserve to die.

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Mar 8, 2017 08:44:17   #
katastrofa Loc: London, UK
 
andrew1971 wrote:
A long time ago trains were the preferred and dominate method of getting one's body from location to location. Eventually the train industry ceased to grow because of the car.


And of the reallocation of government support.

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Mar 8, 2017 08:46:41   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
Quoting from LensVid:

"Cameras are for older people – you can’t see this in the numbers but we clearly see this all around us – aside from the professional segment – dedicated cameras do not interest the younger generation. The people who are still interested in photography are typically around the ages of 40-60 or more – the same people who maybe shot with analog cameras as youngsters and now have the time and money to invest in photography as a hobby – their children and grandchildren are far less interested in cameras and prefer to use their smartphones."

In other words, as we die off, so will the camera business.
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There are ten times more photos made every day than were made before the digital revolution started to pick up steam about 15 to 20 years ago.

If anything, the smartphone has democratized photography by putting cameras in most peoples' (of means) pockets. It killed off the low end of the camera market and much of the market of the professional photographers who catered to the "low hanging fruit." What remains is the serious crowd, which is probably about the size it always was.

The number of higher end cameras sold has dwindled because there were many people in the 1960s through the early 2000s who bought expensive adjustable cameras, in the hopes that their photography would improve. Most of those people now have the sense to use their flashy smart phones, rather than commit to an expensive hobby they won't pursue with vigor. The "I always have it with me" factor made the decision easy! Photography with "real" cameras becomes a focused activity, not an add-on to an ordinary occasion.

I knew a spoiled rich brat in college whose parents were multi-millionaires. He got a Leica and five lenses for Christmas one year. It came in a custom-built, oiled teak case, lined with velvet covered molded foam. I saw him use that camera one time over the next couple of years. But he got to say, (Woooooooo!) "I'm a photographer. Look at my equipment." (Women rolled their eyes at that one.) He was the sort of guy who wrecked two Porsches by the time he was 20. Some of that sort of folk are still around...

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Mar 8, 2017 08:50:47   #
katastrofa Loc: London, UK
 
burkphoto wrote:

The number of higher end cameras sold has dwindled because there were many people in the 1960s through the early 2000s who bought expensive adjustable cameras, in the hopes that their photography would improve. Most of those people now have the sense to use their flashy smart phones, rather than commit to an expensive hobby they won't pursue with vigor. The "I always have it with me" factor made the decision easy! Photography with "real" cameras becomes a focused activity, not an add-on to an ordinary occasion.
br The number of higher end cameras sold has dwin... (show quote)


Would you say that the speed of technical progress in the higher end of the market has slowed down too? The megapixel race seems to be over. (Full Frame topped at 40mpix, crop factors at 20-24mpix, compacts at 16-20mpix).

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Mar 8, 2017 08:53:42   #
cthahn
 
No

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Mar 8, 2017 08:55:08   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
bsprague wrote:
Quoting from LensVid:

"Cameras are for older people – you can’t see this in the numbers but we clearly see this all around us – aside from the professional segment – dedicated cameras do not interest the younger generation. The people who are still interested in photography are typically around the ages of 40-60 or more – the same people who maybe shot with analog cameras as youngsters and now have the time and money to invest in photography as a hobby – their children and grandchildren are far less interested in cameras and prefer to use their smartphones."

In other words, as we die off, so will the camera business.
Quoting from LensVid: br br "Cameras are for... (show quote)


Everything goes in phases.....look at kids now getting into things like iron forgery of tools, etc. we're just ahead of,our time!

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Mar 8, 2017 08:55:56   #
katastrofa Loc: London, UK
 
Or craft beer.

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Mar 8, 2017 09:01:22   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
chevman wrote:
My granddaughter who is just barely starting out in life and with two very small children has a DSLR a Nikon DX camera (I don't know which one). She has had a DSLR since her high school days it was. Canon DSLR. She also has a cellphone and an Apple MacBook Pro from which she PPs the RAW files from her Nikon DSLR on Light Room and Photo Shop CS5. She has a young friend who is also a photographer and hires herself out to do photoshoots such as weddings and other events people are willing to pay for. My granddaughter is very busy taking care of her young family and her husband who has special health needs and dosen't have time to spend on a forium like this one, but since her highschool days has associated with other young people with a like interest in taking high quality photographs. Secondly my grandson from my daughters family has had and uses a Canon DSLR and his new wife also has a rebel t3i and my grandson gave her a standalone version of Light Room 6. Both young women have and are taking photography courses in collage. The young people don't especally take pictures typically seen posted on this forium, but rather prefer taking photos of children theirs included, their friends, and family and post on face book and and text message pictures to friends and relatives and other forms of social media. I can honestly say I don't see it the way most have replied to this thread. There are many young people who are interested enough in photography to invest in taking the time to study it in school and invest in highquality photography equipment as well as having their cellphones so they stay connected with their contacts.
Quoting from LensVid:

"Cameras are for older people – you can’t see this in the numbers but we clearly see this all around us – aside from the professional segment – dedicated cameras do not interest the younger generation. The people who are still interested in photography are typically around the ages of 40-60 or more – the same people who maybe shot with analog cameras as youngsters and now have the time and money to invest in photography as a hobby – their children and grandchildren are far less interested in cameras and prefer to use their smartphones."

In other words, as we die off, so will the camera business."
So IMHO this guy is way off and is completely out of touch
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Jerry in NC
My granddaughter who is just barely starting out i... (show quote)


I have a feeling that when you look round UHH you don't see many people below retirement age. I Don't feel I qualify as young any more but there are people on here with 30 , 40 more years on me.

That isn't a bad thing there are people who have spent their professional lives as photographers and i feel are worth listening too. But I think the lack of younger people on here is a reflection of the site and not the state of photography. I think there perhaps is a greater use of video with younger photographers. That really wasn't an option really even 20 years ago. Digital video has changed all that.

It's a shame the older photographers are not embracing video. I never met my great grandparents and have some recollection of my grand parents although they were all dead by the time I reached 16. What are you leaving your grandchildren? It is possible for us to be filming grand kids at 5 years old and for them to be watching 10 or 15 years later maybe 25 years later they can be watching with their kids too. I don't think i really got to know my parents as people till i was in my late teens early twenties. My grandparents I never had those conversations you have as adults. It's never been easier to produce video...

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Mar 8, 2017 09:08:53   #
SteveLew Loc: Sugar Land, TX
 
Seems to me to be a myth that age has any thing to do with people that use their smartphone as a camera. I have older (40's and 50's) that use only their smart phones. Further, I think that the younger crowd, if they buy a camera they buy mirrorless because with young children they are very concerned with video and mirrorless video is far more advanced than DSLR's. Finally, I think that younger people (30's and 40's) if they buy DSLR's they will tend to buy higher end camera for wildlife and sports.

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Mar 8, 2017 09:10:49   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
All I care is that the industry is doing fine and there is a lot of competition and new products more than ever before...hay, The new MK4 software update is out next month!

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Mar 8, 2017 09:16:44   #
crissx09 Loc: FL-USA
 
Peterff wrote:
That is a very short sighted and flawed piece of analysis. Smartphones are cameras - among other things - but they replace complete segments of the market, instamatic and disposable film cameras, and then digital P&S cameras. Probably the way to look at this would be to look at interchangeable lens cameras over multiple decades, perhaps along with range finders etc. and bridge cameras. Essentially tools for 'serious' photographers, and they come in all age groups. The economics are certainly changing, but so are the camera companies, finding new markets and so on. Who do you think makes the sensors in many smartphones? It isn't Apple.
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I don't think it is a very short sighted analysis , as you put it; maybe the market will not die but by sure will shrink considerable. Already the general people complain about the bulky, the heavy, etc. etc. the cameras are. Off course for the people that love photography and take it as a serious hobby that is not a problem but for the great mass that take pictures for the sake of, cameras are kind of a burden to carry. Or at least they think so.

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Mar 8, 2017 09:18:28   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
Wingpilot wrote:
A couple things come to mind here. It seems that the younger set is in love with instant photos going on social media instantly, and apparently smart phone cameras fit the bill nicely and they're satisfied with the quality, along with the simplicity of use...

I think the reason us old guys and gals like actual cameras and tend to purchase good gear is because we are, for the most part, retired and have the disposable cash to afford to get that gear...

Great observations, Wingpilot. Also, older amateurs tend to have the time to learn their computer/camera system and practice their art. As for the younger set, I notice they take pictures of friends and family with speed to share just as quickly with friends and family. They are not interested in admiring the DOF from FF (yesterday's small format) cameras . The only thing in common between the two populations, speaking generally, is they use some form of a digital camera. This has nothing to do with the artistic level of their photographs, of course. That still depends on the photographer.

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Mar 8, 2017 09:18:55   #
katastrofa Loc: London, UK
 
crissx09 wrote:
Off course for the people that love photography and take it as a serious hobby that is not a problem



Unless they happen to be female or disabled.

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Mar 8, 2017 09:28:54   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
The only thing that the DSLR "industry" and/or any other industry or business can be sure of is that THINGS WILL CHANGE. What that change will be is to one degree or another impossible to predict. The ONLY thing that can be predicted with absolute probabitity is that all living things will die.

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