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Mar 8, 2017 10:53:30   #
Jeff.U
 
Personally, I'll be 59 in 1 week. I got a young guy I work with interested in "real" ( his word, not mine ) cameras 6 months ago. He bought his first DSLR 6 weeks ago and sometimes accompanies me on my weekly Thursday woodlands excursions. He picked up on the technical aspects very quickly, and is delighted by the level of artistic control full manual gives him.
He's 22 and has the bug bad. I'm happy to say he caught it from me.

Here is one of his shots:


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Mar 8, 2017 10:57:11   #
Abo
 
donrosshill wrote:
The really nice thing abought getting old is just that. We have the experience, we know how to focus, set the camera speed, set the Iris, make and set the composition, and make a great image. Regardless if it is film or digital. We are not relying on all the fully automatic features and just randomly pointing and shooting. And by the way, we also know what we look like and don't need to keep making Selfie's. I have lived a life (82), made my living in Imaging, I have a smart phone, I have discovered that I am smarter than that phone and I use it only to make phone calls. I also have several cameras and I use them to do PHOTOGRAPHY. You can do what you wish and I will keep doing mine.
Don
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Mar 8, 2017 11:12:12   #
sailor2545 Loc: Victoria, BC
 
In our camera club, the majority are older, and we have a large active club

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Mar 8, 2017 11:16:16   #
photonutt1970
 
While I agree that cameras are a little "Old fashioned" there is no substitute for the creativity of a person and their DSLR, long live the photog!!!

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Mar 8, 2017 11:23:11   #
Abo
 
Funny thing about this subject is the Eddie Steichens of this world, could create far superior
images with a cell phone than the majority of "photographers" can with $5000 DSLRs.

The amount of artless rubbish created with DSLRs that could be more easily created with
cell phones, and even primative 1.3mp pocket cameras is almost infinite. I know I've done
it, but my excuse is the D700 was at hand and I needed to create a documentary image.

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Mar 8, 2017 11:29:05   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
Quoting from LensVid:

"Cameras are for older people – you can’t see this in the numbers but we clearly see this all around us – aside from the professional segment – dedicated cameras do not interest the younger generation. The people who are still interested in photography are typically around the ages of 40-60 or more – the same people who maybe shot with analog cameras as youngsters and now have the time and money to invest in photography as a hobby – their children and grandchildren are far less interested in cameras and prefer to use their smartphones."

In other words, as we die off, so will the camera business.
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One thing that does strike me as relatively true: The only folks who have the time and money to do serious photography outside of the professional world are teens and single young people, and people old enough to be grandparents. In our child-rearing years, we are too busy with kids to dedicate much time to a demanding hobby. And these days, it takes a LOT of disposable income to afford a camera, lenses, lights, computer, software, Internet connection, printers, scanners, drives, cards, light modifiers, and all the other niceties of an advanced hobby.

As a teen, I bought my camera gear on proceeds from sales of prints to my high school newspaper and yearbook advisors, and to parents of school "royalty".

My twins graduate HS this June. Then they'll both be in college at the same time... MAYBE when I'm 65, we'll be free of economic stress...

I was lucky to work for a photography company for 33 years, and to have access to lots of good gear for most of that time.

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Mar 8, 2017 11:29:20   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
Abo wrote:
A luddite that posts (I presume with a computer) on an internet forum.

Do you also sit on the corner of a round table and eat plain cake with currents in it
on a fine day on a dark and stormy night?


I was wondering when I wrote that if anyone would comment. Actually I didn't post it with my computer. I posted it with my Samsung Note. I thought I was a bit mixed up; but a fine day on a dark and stormy night. What exactly is that? I always thought a fine day was bright and sunny with clear warm breezes. I am only a Luddite when it comes to cell phones. I absolutely hate them. They turn people into ill mannered types so busy with them that they will walk right into you if you don't dodge fast enough. They have made people so socially inept that conversation will also soon go the way of the point and shoot camera. Walk into a room and everyone is twiddling their thumbs texting, probably someone in the same room.

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Mar 8, 2017 11:32:14   #
usken65
 
Who cares we will be dead

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Mar 8, 2017 11:33:43   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
tyedyetommy wrote:
Peteff, My feelers are pretty tough. I am at a age where I really don't care. I have enough money to do what I want , when I want. When I retired the pay scale was 35 dollars a hour. I managed to save more than a little of that. I just sold a 1953 Harley Davidson Panhead, for a ton of money. It was a sad day, but a hard tail frame and one kidney is not a good combination. A few other wise investments, a Union pension and a SS check. I am not eating cat food. I get to sleep late, and presto, 2 times a month money shows up in the bank. Everything I have is paid for. And my wife, who for some reason loves my dumb ass, is a Doctor. Life is grand.
I actually know more about computers than I let on. I worked on more than a few chip plants, across the country. I became friendly with the engineers, they taught me a lot. I cannot write code, but then again, I never needed too. If you do see me running amok, you really should stop and say hello. I know where there is a great dive bar, I will buy you a beer. Yours. Tom
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Well I'm glad for you that you have things well established. I like dive bars, so might take you up on that, but we'll need at least two beers, 'cos I'll be buying as well! I'm not a biker, but I get what you are saying about the hard tail frame. The camera market is certainly changing, but the market for interchangeable lens cameras is still quite robust. Sensors for smartphones matter because they are revenue for the companies that are in the imaging market such as Sony and Canon, it helps defray R&D costs. It's not that hard to project what will happen to the camera market if one understands market research (which I do), which is why I called the Lensvid observation / study flawed. One issue is that UHH is not a representative sample of the total market. Another issue is that if one only looks at digital cameras then that also doesn't really represent the quality camera market over sufficient time. A multi-decade study looking at camera sales since say the introduction of SLRs might actually reveal the underlying market trends independently of consumer age and technology changes.

I'm confident that the high end camera market will continue, that the major vendors will manage the transition and will survive. Some will prosper better than others. I have a thesis about the market dynamics, but I haven't done enough work to substantiate it yet.

Take care Tom, and enjoy the life that you have apparently built very well!

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Mar 8, 2017 11:35:41   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
dragonfist wrote:
.../...a fine day on a dark and stormy night. What exactly is that?.../...

Weather in the UK and Britany (France)

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Mar 8, 2017 11:36:35   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
dragonfist wrote:
…I absolutely hate [cell phones]. They turn people into ill mannered types so busy with them that they will walk right into you if you don't dodge fast enough. They have made people so socially inept that conversation will also soon go the way of the point and shoot camera. Walk into a room and everyone is twiddling their thumbs texting, probably someone in the same room.


Tell me about it. I have twin HS seniors. I've seen them texting their girlfriends who are in the same room... except they're also having four simultaneous chat conversations with people all over the city and state and world!

I sometimes joke that I can have more intelligent conversations with them via text than I can face to face!

That said, huge numbers of us are addicted to screens these days, whether of necessity (work) or by habit.

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Mar 8, 2017 11:39:35   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
katastrofa wrote:
I'm 36 and I just bought my first interchangeable lens camera after an old Soviet-era Zenith which I had as a teenager (was the lens interchangeable? probably). I just didn't have the spare cash when I was 20+ to get one.

As I walked around London (Tower Bridge area) on weekend I saw loads and loads of young tourists with DSLRs.


If your camera was a Zenit E, with a Helios 44-2 58mm f/2 lens, then yes it was interchangeable and easy to use on a modern DSLR with an inexpensive adapter. Do you still have the camera and lens? I have both, and it's a fun lens to use on a modern DSLR if you like that kind of thing.

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Mar 8, 2017 11:40:35   #
Abo
 
dragonfist wrote:
I was wondering when I wrote that if anyone would comment. Actually I didn't post it with my computer. I posted it with my Samsung Note. I thought I was a bit mixed up; but a fine day on a dark and stormy night. What exactly is that? I always thought a fine day was bright and sunny with clear warm breezes. I am only a Luddite when it comes to cell phones. I absolutely hate them. They turn people into ill mannered types so busy with them that they will walk right into you if you don't dodge fast enough. They have made people so socially inept that conversation will also soon go the way of the point and shoot camera. Walk into a room and everyone is twiddling their thumbs texting, probably someone in the same room.
I was wondering when I wrote that if anyone would ... (show quote)


A fine day on a dark and stormy night is the same as a three sided square which is the same as a luddite that uses a Samsung Note which is
the same as a Jewish NAZI.

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Mar 8, 2017 11:41:39   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
Gene51 wrote:
No, to your first question, but it might have had an effect on rangefinder cameras, 6cmx9cm, 4x5, 5x7, 8x10 field and view cameras, twin lens reflex cameras from Rollei and Mamiya and the Russian imports, Koni Omega Rapid and other press- and event- friendly cameras, and others.

Real cameras will continue to evolve, and just like the early digitals bear little resemblance to what is out there in form, function and image quality, we won't recognize a digital image capture device 10 yrs from now if it were handed to use today, along with the computing device that you'll need to work on the images.
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Or did the demise of Kodak as a film /paper manufacturer and rising prices of materials make those formats too expensive to experiment with?

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Mar 8, 2017 11:42:40   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Abo wrote:
Sooner or later the camera of our "cell phones" will better a D810.

I put cell phone in inverted commas because most are now a multifuctional device
that serve as many things apart from being a phone.


Very, very unlikely, there a few laws of physics and optics to overcome...

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