mediaman123 Loc: Poulsbo, WA

How do the L lenses work with your t4i?

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

I would rather see you get the new 80D. It's the top of the line Rebel that outperforms all the T6i and T6s and 70D camera bodies.

imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida

The Sigma 18-35 f1.8 would do very well in this respect .....

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

L lenses, which are full format EF lenses work equally well on all EOS cameras. On APS-C cameras, the EF-S lenses can be cheaper and especially for wide angle can be a better choice than their L branded cousins from a field of view perspective.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Not to sway you in any other direction, but if you are doing photojournalist and street stuff, AND have a bad back, do yourself a favor and check out the Olympus em10II or em5II.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

T6i actually uses a newer and bigger sensor than 7DII. Should serve you quite well, if you are okay with the controls, displays and handling of your T4i.

If you find the 7D easier to work with thanks to controls and additional display panel, you might want to consider the T6s or the 80D. They don't have quite the same control layout as 7D, but are closer and have more direct access to certain functions and they both have the additional LCD panel on their righthand "shoulder".

The T6i and T6s use a 19-point AF system that's sort of a dumbed down version of what you have in your 7D. The two Rebel models have fewer AF patterns (just All Points/Auto, Single Point/Manual and Zone.... while your 7D has those three plus Spot/Precision Single Point and Expansion Point patterns). The Rebel series models also lack Micro Focus Adjust fine tuning for lenses... While your 7D and the 80D have it.

The 80D uses essentially the same 24MP sensor as the T6i/T6s, except a year or two newer. Plus it has an entirely new 45-point AF system that's "f8 capable" at up to 27 of those AF points (where your cameras are all "f5.6 limited", which basically means they won't be able to autofocus an f5.6 lens when there's a 1.4X teleconverter attached... or an f4 lens with a 2X TC on it). The 80D is also able to focus in lower light conditions... -3EV (approx. moonlight). Your cameras are only able to focus down to about -0.5EV or -1EV at best.

I used my 7D's to ISO 3200 and 6400.... Now shooting with 7DII's I've done some shoots with them at ISO 8000 and even ISO 16000 with quite good and usable results (some extra care to avoid underexposure and add'l post-processing req'd... but that was the case at ISO 3200 and 6400 with 7D, too). This is an early ISO 16000 test shot (and larger detail from the same shot) that I did with 7DII... a RAW conversion in Lightroom-only and just using LR's default levels of noise reduction, sharpening, etc...


Yes, there's a little noise. But I think it's very well handled. More fully finished images I first converted through Lightroom, then passed off to Photoshop where I have Noiseware plug-in to further reduce the appearance of noise. I know you're not considering a 7DII, but 80D should be at least as good and maybe even better handling high ISO! Not sure about the two Rebel models, which are a little older. Also, 80D uses LP-E6N battery which is good for roughly twice as many shots per charge as the smaller LP-E8 or LP-E17 batteries used in Rebel series models. 80D also uses a true pentaprism, 100% viewfinder, where all Rebel series use a "penta-mirror" that's slightly less bright and typically have 95 to 97% viewfinders. With the 80D you also get a faster shutter (1/8000 and 1/250 flash sync, same as your 7D, vs 1/4000 and 1/200 at best in Rebel series) that's also probably higher durability rated for long term use (Note: xxD Canon typically offer "100,000 click" rating, while most Rebel/xxxD offer 75,000 actuation rated shutters).

T6i, T6s and 80D all also have articulated rear LCD screens, much faster Dual Pixel Live View focus, touch screen controls, and built-in WiFi. None of them have built-in GPS, instead use a separate module if that's wanted. This is actually a good thing, because always-on, built-in GPS tends to drain camera batteries very rapidly, greatly reducing the number of shots per charge.

The 80D is close to your 7D in many performance factors, but a bit smaller and approx. 20% lighter camera. T6i or T6s is about 35% lighter than 7D. T6i costs about $750, T6s about $850 and 80D about $1200.

You say you don't need any lenses, but you might consider buying a kit with lenses anyway. Those lenses are often significantly discounted in kit. You might find you like the new lens(es) better than one or another of your older ones, and choose to keep it. Or you might be able to sell the kit lens(es) to offset some of the cost of the camera and recoup a bit of your net cost to upgrade.

In other words, any of these... T6i, T6s or 80D.... would be a very nice upgrade from your T4i!

DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

Here's a detailed side-by-side comparison of the T6i and the 80D. The same tool could be used to compare other cameras, as well.

https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=canon_eos80d&products=canon_eos750d

davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.

I just purchased the 6ts and read a ton of reviews one said the new 24 meg sensor is the same as the 80d and the focus system is that of the 70d the focus is lightning fast I have only had it a couple days but it is sweet

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

Take a close look at the front of the camera and the box it came in....

I think you'll find it's a "T6s".... not a "6ts".

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

I quite understand that you WANT a new toy. but do you really need it. What is your current stuff not doing for you. In fact no new thing will make you a better photographer. As others have said you have too many overlapping lenses. Maybe selling these lenses and buying a good prime such as the 100mm macro or a fast 35.

jimmya Loc: Phoenix

In my experience, except for some add ons there's not much difference between Rebel models. I've been shooting stills/video with my t3i for some time now and having excellent luck with it - especially in video.

davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.

Sorry thanks for the correction it didn't look rite😊

Allen Essek

The 80D is not a Rebel.

Allen Essek

Most EF lenses take a tremendous hit downwards, in their sharpness, when they're mounted onto an APS-C body.
I'm using DXO's measured test results, as my basis of information, and they are accurate, in this regard.

For instance, I have a Canon EF 70-200 f/4 L that's rated at: 27 overall, and 24 for sharpness, when rated on a full frame Canon 5DS R. This same lens is rated at an overall: 23 and 18 for it's sharpness on a Canon 5D MK III.
Yet, when that SAME, EF lens, is mounted onto a Canon EOS Rebel (550D) T2i, it yields an overall rating of
only: 14 overall, and a sharpness rating of 9!

And that is, the highest, of the crop sensor, Canon camera's, also.

There is a very significant drop, in that Canon EF lens's overall, level of performance, which is, the combined ratings of all of it's individual test's for Sharpness, Chromatic Aberration, T-stop (light transmission), Distortion, and Vignetting have been combined.

Also, specifically, it's Sharpness rating has gone far down compared to when it was mounted on the full frame camera that it has been designed to be used with.

This is why I personally cringe, when I read certain people, posting to new comers, that they should purchase, all full frame lenses for their new ASP-C crop sensor camera's; as those camera's, are designed to used with, "DX" and
EF-S" lenses, to get the maximum performance, out of them!

It's nonsensical for a brand new photographer, who has just purchased his first (ASP-C) crop senor camera body, to set out purchasing, full frame DX and EF lens, for it, (except in certain very specific, cases,) JUST BECAUSE, he may, SOME DAY, be purchasing, a full frame camera!

It is critical to place the correct type of lenses, onto the type of camera, that you presently own.

In the vast majority of time, you will LOSE much sharpness, by placing a full frame lens, onto a crop sensor body.

There was a man who did this with a, (I believe) 24-70 f/2.8, onto a full frame camera, perhaps, it may have been, a
Canon 7D or 7D MK II, and he actually reduced his effective M-Pixels down to something like 8!

He sent the camera and lens in to be serviced, and they came back fine.

Finally, someone else figured out, just what was going on!

That full frame lens itself, mounted on a full frame camera, would have yielded 24 M-Pixels, yet, only 8, on his crop sensor body!

This is something that you can, and should, check out, on www.dxomark.com

Your lenses, and what body, that you are using them on, to determine their actual effective sharpness, and performance.

Yet, you will almost always do better, with a crop sensor lens, on a crop sensor body.

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

I used a comparison like this when I made my opinion known. The 80D is a heck of a camera and has state of the art video capability.