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Aug 24, 2016 18:27:22   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Allen Essek wrote:
Most EF lenses take a tremendous hit downwards, in their sharpness, when they're mounted onto an APS-C body.
I'm using DXO's measured test results, as my basis of information, and they are accurate, in this regard.

For instance, I have a Canon EF 70-200 f/4 L that's rated at: 27 overall, and 24 for sharpness, when rated on a full frame Canon 5DS R. This same lens is rated at an overall: 23 and 18 for it's sharpness on a Canon 5D MK III.
Yet, when that SAME, EF lens, is mounted onto a Canon EOS Rebel (550D) T2i, it yields an overall rating of
only: 14 overall, and a sharpness rating of 9!

And that is, the highest, of the crop sensor, Canon camera's, also.

There is a very significant drop, in that Canon EF lens's overall, level of performance, which is, the combined ratings of all of it's individual test's for Sharpness, Chromatic Aberration, T-stop (light transmission), Distortion, and Vignetting have been combined.

Also, specifically, it's Sharpness rating has gone far down compared to when it was mounted on the full frame camera that it has been designed to be used with.

This is why I personally cringe, when I read certain people, posting to new comers, that they should purchase, all full frame lenses for their new ASP-C crop sensor camera's; as those camera's, are designed to used with, "DX" and
EF-S" lenses, to get the maximum performance, out of them!

It's nonsensical for a brand new photographer, who has just purchased his first (ASP-C) crop senor camera body, to set out purchasing, full frame DX and EF lens, for it, (except in certain very specific, cases,) JUST BECAUSE, he may, SOME DAY, be purchasing, a full frame camera!

It is critical to place the correct type of lenses, onto the type of camera, that you presently own.

In the vast majority of time, you will LOSE much sharpness, by placing a full frame lens, onto a crop sensor body.

There was a man who did this with a, (I believe) 24-70 f/2.8, onto a full frame camera, perhaps, it may have been, a
Canon 7D or 7D MK II, and he actually reduced his effective M-Pixels down to something like 8!

He sent the camera and lens in to be serviced, and they came back fine.

Finally, someone else figured out, just what was going on!

That full frame lens itself, mounted on a full frame camera, would have yielded 24 M-Pixels, yet, only 8, on his crop sensor body!

This is something that you can, and should, check out, on www.dxomark.com

Your lenses, and what body, that you are using them on, to determine their actual effective sharpness, and performance.

Yet, you will almost always do better, with a crop sensor lens, on a crop sensor body.
Most EF lenses take a tremendous hit downwards, in... (show quote)


Let me just say, you will find very FEW people you will agree with your conclusions here - and I am NOT one of them .......

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Aug 24, 2016 18:27:25   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
So if you don't mind the fashion catastrophe, you can get a backstrap wrap that you can tighten. Then you get back to your heavier gear.

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Aug 24, 2016 20:16:31   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
I have a 7D Mk-1
I will be getting the 80D soon
And will probably sell the 7D plus one of my duplicate lenses to help offset the upgrade

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Aug 24, 2016 20:46:32   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Allen Essek wrote:
Most EF lenses take a tremendous hit downwards, in their sharpness, when they're mounted onto an APS-C body.
I'm using DXO's measured test results, as my basis of information, and they are accurate, in this regard.

For instance, I have a Canon EF 70-200 f/4 L that's rated at: 27 overall, and 24 for sharpness, when rated on a full frame Canon 5DS R. This same lens is rated at an overall: 23 and 18 for it's sharpness on a Canon 5D MK III.
Yet, when that SAME, EF lens, is mounted onto a Canon EOS Rebel (550D) T2i, it yields an overall rating of
only: 14 overall, and a sharpness rating of 9!

And that is, the highest, of the crop sensor, Canon camera's, also.

There is a very significant drop, in that Canon EF lens's overall, level of performance, which is, the combined ratings of all of it's individual test's for Sharpness, Chromatic Aberration, T-stop (light transmission), Distortion, and Vignetting have been combined.

Also, specifically, it's Sharpness rating has gone far down compared to when it was mounted on the full frame camera that it has been designed to be used with.

This is why I personally cringe, when I read certain people, posting to new comers, that they should purchase, all full frame lenses for their new ASP-C crop sensor camera's; as those camera's, are designed to used with, "DX" and
EF-S" lenses, to get the maximum performance, out of them!

It's nonsensical for a brand new photographer, who has just purchased his first (ASP-C) crop senor camera body, to set out purchasing, full frame DX and EF lens, for it, (except in certain very specific, cases,) JUST BECAUSE, he may, SOME DAY, be purchasing, a full frame camera!

It is critical to place the correct type of lenses, onto the type of camera, that you presently own.

In the vast majority of time, you will LOSE much sharpness, by placing a full frame lens, onto a crop sensor body.

There was a man who did this with a, (I believe) 24-70 f/2.8, onto a full frame camera, perhaps, it may have been, a
Canon 7D or 7D MK II, and he actually reduced his effective M-Pixels down to something like 8!

He sent the camera and lens in to be serviced, and they came back fine.

Finally, someone else figured out, just what was going on!

That full frame lens itself, mounted on a full frame camera, would have yielded 24 M-Pixels, yet, only 8, on his crop sensor body!

This is something that you can, and should, check out, on www.dxomark.com

Your lenses, and what body, that you are using them on, to determine their actual effective sharpness, and performance.

Yet, you will almost always do better, with a crop sensor lens, on a crop sensor body.
Most EF lenses take a tremendous hit downwards, in... (show quote)


TILT! That is a complete crock. DXOmark has some value, but is far from perfect, and your analysis is very far off base.

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Aug 24, 2016 20:50:17   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Peterff wrote:
TILT! That is a complete crock. DXOmark has some value, but is far from perfect, and your analysis is very far off base.



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Aug 25, 2016 03:49:56   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Girl with A Canon wrote:
I trust all of the UHHogers so when in need I turn to you.


Strike one. :)

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So here is my question I would love to get a new Rebel I am looking at buying the Rebel 6ti... There is nothing wrong with my t4i at all just want to upgrade and hubby says I can.


That's a horrible reason to spend more money.

Trust me, take the money you feel like spending, plop it in a jar and after a year or even several months, take a mini-vacation with the hubby and take keepsake photos using your current camera and send them out to be printed 4x6. Every time you do that, put them in a shoe box for when you are a senior citizen like me.

Buy memories, not gear.

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Aug 25, 2016 16:44:42   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
I totally understand what you want. I too have a 7D and 7D mII, and I carry a sony RX100 in my purse - BUT there are days I just want a lighter DSLR. I love using a DSLR - and the 7D's are back breaking for family days. I tried the SL1 and didn't care for it. That camera is so little that the lenses felt off balance and it was very slow. So I also have decided to buy T6i but I'm forcing myself to sell off several of my Point and Shoots first (I have 6 of them). The 80 D is awesome but still too heavy for what I want.
I think having 1 pro type camera and 1 Rebel is a great idea -- go for it! I wouldn't wait for the T7i, I bet that is several years out.

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Aug 26, 2016 06:32:39   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
unless your t4i is wearing out, stick with what you have. if you have money laying around, use it for something else.

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Aug 26, 2016 08:11:23   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
TommiRulz wrote:
I totally understand what you want. I too have a 7D and 7D mII, and I carry a sony RX100 in my purse - BUT there are days I just want a lighter DSLR. I love using a DSLR - and the 7D's are back breaking for family days. I tried the SL1 and didn't care for it. That camera is so little that the lenses felt off balance and it was very slow. So I also have decided to buy T6i but I'm forcing myself to sell off several of my Point and Shoots first (I have 6 of them). The 80 D is awesome but still too heavy for what I want.
I think having 1 pro type camera and 1 Rebel is a great idea -- go for it! I wouldn't wait for the T7i, I bet that is several years out.
I totally understand what you want. I too have a ... (show quote)


I've seen mentioned a few times the 80D is too heavy. The 80D is just under 5 ounces heavier than the T6i, just about the same weight as a deck of cards or half a cup of water. Yes, it is heavier but by no stretch of the imagination is it heavy.
I have arthritis in both hands and carpal tunnel and have no problem handling my 80D .

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Aug 26, 2016 15:37:12   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I've seen mentioned a few times the 80D is too heavy. The 80D is just under 5 ounces heavier than the T6i, just about the same weight as a deck of cards or half a cup of water. Yes, it is heavier but by no stretch of the imagination is it heavy.
I have arthritis in both hands and carpal tunnel and have no problem handling my 80D .


I will admit I have not held an 80D, but I do understand that after having a 7D you want the lightest possible for busy days. I'm sure the 80 is an awesome camera.

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Aug 29, 2016 13:58:13   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
First let me say that my DSLRs are Nikon but I have a friend with a Canon 7DMkII and finds it excellent. I own a Canon SX-50HS and it has almost become my go to camera for many purposes. I agree with this who say spend the money on better glass. There is always a "better" body coming out and as long as the manufacturer is able to keep forward and backward lens unchangeability there is no issue in buying newer better glass. Unless you feel some inadequacy with the 7D I say "...go for better glass".

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Aug 30, 2016 01:09:36   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
cambriaman wrote:
Unless you feel some inadequacy with the 7D I say "...go for better glass".
I have Glass. Optics are stable, and will be so for decades.
But technology doubles every 18 months. It has been 7 years since the 7D Mk-1 was released (9/1/09). In that time, electronics technology has advanced 16 to 32 fold.
Focusing speed, sensor technology, scene analysis and recognition, etc, etc.
And GAS expands to fill all known space.
There IS a new camera body waiting for you that will use your old lenses.
And it WILL up your game !

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