OldDoc Loc: New York

It isn't an issue of whether someone was offended in the Oklahoma incident. The simple fact is that the student code and university statutes prohibit certain types of behavior. When you join that community you implicitly agree to abide by those rules (at my university it isn't implicit, you must sign an agreement, initialling each paragraph), and if you violate those rules you are subject to whatever is appropriate as determined by the institution. Asking if you should have someone should be arrested for calling you a "Cracker" is a red herring, since in Oklahoma nobody was subjected to criminal charges.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Interesting article. La Raza's racist agenda is well-known. It is not well-known that the organization gets so much taxpayer money, and that so much is embezzled or otherwise misused.

I wonder what uproar would ensue if some white citizen advocacy group would adapt the La Raza slogan, to wit: "White people deserve everything; non-Whites deserve nothing."

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

The speech censorship codes are blatantly unconstitutional and the courts should not enforce them, much less allow college bureaucrats to institute and enforce such rules. The students are forced to "agree" to such censorship and draconian penalties under duress; the speech restriction scheme cannot and should not survive constitutional challenge.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Using the N word probably qualifies as speech that should be protected but that doesn't mean the school has to put up with it. Glorifying lynching I think is way over the line. Again it depends on what rules they agreed to by registering at that school.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Lots of companies have zero tolerance policies regarding racial and sexual harassment. Are you claiming those are unconstitutional?

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

The school has to obey the 1st Amendment and other federal law. The 1st Amendment trumps the school bureaucrats' desire to impose their PC version of censorship.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

I think the first amendment has more to do with criminal charges. They weren't charged with anything. Why can't the school protect itself and it's other students?
The first amendment gives them the right to free speech, it doesn't guarantee them the right to go to that school.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Frat that declared 'there will never be a n*gg*r in SAE' hazed black student to death

byShaun King

Four years ago Cornell University closed down their chapter of the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity. Many members of the fraternity left the school altogether. They had just killed a man.
George Desdunes, an aspiring doctor, was a 19-year-old sophomore from Brooklyn, New York, and the son of Haitian immigrants. His hands and feet were tied with duct tape and zip ties. Blindfolded, he was given so much alcohol that he died within a few hours of the hazing. All alone and completely unconscious, he was found dead by a college cleaning crew the following morning. His mother filed a $25 million wrongful death suit in the case.

On its own merit, the hazing death of George Desdunes is tragic, but when viewed in light of recent racism that has been exposed within the SAE fraternity, one has to wonder if George Desdunes was treated any differently because he was black. When a popular fraternity chant song has violent lines about lynching black men, everything should be on the table.

SAE members from the University of Oklahoma were recently recorded chanting:


“There will never be a n*gg*r in SAE.
There will never be a n*gg*r in SAE.
You can hang him from a tree, but he can never sign with me
There will never be a n*gg*r in SAE.”

A month before this chant was recorded, the same chant was being reported as "the most popular" at the same fraternity at the University of Texas. Before this, the University of Oklahoma SAE "house mother" was recorded using racial slurs.
Since 2000, Sigma Alpha Epsilon chapters have been cited for egregious racism at Clemson, Washington University, Oglethorpe, Baylor, Valdosta State, and more.

Racism is not just a nuisance, it's dangerous. It devalues an entire race of people and makes their lives significantly more disposable to others—be it a white fraternity or police officers around the country.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Many pledges have been hazed to death. The hazing idiocy, encouraged by admin literacy, has occurred to and by different ethnic groups. Hazing, including to the point of murder or at least manslaughter, has occurred in all-black frats. Some research indicates the problem of idiotic/dangerous hazing is more prevalent in black fraternities than in others. Try searching with the phrase:

hazing in black fraternities

The dangerous levels of hazing recently resulted in deaths in the Los Angeles area, where exhausted pledges were abandoned, suffering from dehydration and exhaustion, to die in the Angeles Forest.

Other fraternities have put trampolines on their front lawns for anyone, drunk or sober, to try out. A practice which scares the heck out of anyone with gymnastic training or expertise (like myself).

It is hypocritical to go ape over SAE LANGUAGE while ignoring lethal BEHAVIOR, including that by black fraternities against black pledges.

If we may slightly change a quote from Martin Luther King:
"Fraternities should be judged by the idiocy of their behavior, not by the color of their skin."

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Don't get me wrong, I do find what they did reprehensible.
They are entitled to say what they choose; just as I am.
Someone brought up code of conduct and student safety.
Which after giving it some thought; if left unaddressed could get ugly.
Lets say for the sake of argument one of the students that
participated were to get severly beaten on campus;
would the school be held liable for his safety.
What if that frat house was fire bombed.
Everytime I see photos of my people that were lynched.
It saddens me to my very core.
Also another thing to think about where were they?
Were they on a privately chartered bus?
If yes; then where do we draw the line?
Maybe I am overracting but damn its kind of like
big brother watching all of the time.

Take for example Donald Sterling; was he a douche for what he said. Yes and no; it was the insecurities of an
old man. Coming out during a private conversation
with his on payroll prostitute.
Do I believe Donald Sterling to be a racist?
Emphatically yes, because he discriminated against
people of color when it came to housing.

You see everyone was up in arms about the NSA spying on its citizens. But yet it is ok when on an individual level
when private acts a publicly leaked. If we expect the government to respect our privacy, then privacy
should be respected on an individual level as well.

Lets just say for a moment we were having a conversation
having a few drinks. I was privately taping the whole thing.
You said to me " man the other night on my way home in a cab I saw a hooker I picked her up and she gave me a hummer on the way home".
Lets just say I decided to send a copy of that video to
your wife, employer etc.
You tell me how would you feel.
Privacy and freedom of speech should be respected; because if not it has truly become what is described in 1984.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Ah, intelligence. Savor the common sense and clarity in the post just above by Soba1.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Thanks kind sir

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

If you had evidence of a black group doing anything wrong you would post it in a second with no regard as to whether or not it was private.

idaholover Loc: Nampa ID

Too much PC, and in fact, PC enforced by government edict only encourages incorrigible people to do what they do by definition.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

If you're addressing that to me....be they white or back no.
I'm not a chicken $hit so no I wouldn't.
Thats not how I roll.